[Moon] QSO procedure by K1JT - NEW qso RULES????

Sat Aug 23 23:18:00 CEST 2014

Well Wolfgang you did not need to extend what I said so as to imply I meant
that "everyone could send what they wanted".  If the station sends just his
call without the prefix and that is copied and returned then that is what
the QSO rules call for.  Nowhere does it say that full prefixes or suffixes
must be sent and received.  Indeed it is common practice in this country for
portable stations to NOT identify the fact that they are portable in
contests.  Rovers are a different story because of contest logging
requirements, but portables usually don't spend much time saying "portable
2" or whatever.  There is no rule that they must identify that way in the
contest, or from the government for that matter.

So again, if the guy sends his call (without suffixes or prefixes) and it is
received and sent back successfully, then a contact has been made and most
people will believe that, including people managing contests and awards.
And if the station identifies himself with the call plus prefix in a regular
fashion (but not with every contact), that is sufficient for legal
requirements too.

That is all I said before and all I am saying now.  I am not saying that I
could send a different call than my own, or my name, or whatever and it
would valid.  No, but if I send K2TXB and the station answers K2TXB then
everyone knows he is working me, and there is no reason why it is not a
valid contact.

73, Russ K2TXB

-----Original Message-----
From: Wolfgang Schlaffer [mailto:dl5mae at yahoo.de] 
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2014 12:58 PM
To: Russ K2TXB
Cc: moon at moonbounce.info
Subject: RE: [Moon] QSO procedure by K1JT - NEW qso RULES????

Hi Russ, 

thats completly  NEW  to  me  that  the  rules  have  changed  this
way...!!! 

So that means everybody  is  allowed  to TX  what he wants ?!?! 

I wonder when and where and who  (@ IARU meeting???)  established this  NEW
rules ????

Perhaps you like to answer this question to me, please!!! 

I will  NOT   go along this  way  and  will work along the OLD  rules, which
say: 

BOTH stations need to  RX:   both callsigns / reports /  and QSO
confirmation (like: RRR) 

tnx es vy 73 de DL5MAE - Wolfgang

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Russ K2TXB <k2txb at dxcc.com> schrieb am Sa, 23.8.2014:

 Betreff: RE: [Moon] QSO procedure by K1JT
 An: "'Wolfgang Schlaffer'" <dl5mae at yahoo.de>, "'Lars Pettersson'"
<sm4ive at telia.com>
 CC: moon at moonbounce.info
 Datum: Samstag, 23. August, 2014 18:16 Uhr

 Wolfgang, the QSO rules
 are to copy the call that was sent, not necessarily  the full legal call. 
So those contacts are  all valid for QSO.  They might  not be quite  legal,
for federal license bureau purposes, but that does  not  concern us any more
than if the station  was running power over the legal  limit.  I  have never
heard anyone say that EME contacts were void  because a  guy was running too
much power!

 Further to that, even though
 the 4K/PA3CMC call may not have been fully  transmitted via JT65, I am
pretty sure it was  transmitted every 10 minutes  via the CW ID.
 This solves the legal question too.  You may want to  dispute  my first
sentence, but I think if  you examine the full context the only  conclusion
must be that the QSO rules have been  met.

 73, Russ K2TXB

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Moon [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info]
 On Behalf Of Wolfgang
 Schlaffer
 Sent: Friday, August 22, 2014 5:27 PM
 To: Lars Pettersson
 Cc: moon at moonbounce.info
 Subject: [Moon] QSO procedure by K1JT

 ARE THESE THE NEW  QSO RULES
 SET  UP  BY  K1JT  ? 
 IN THE GIVEN
 EXAMPLE  PA3CMC  never  TX  the  4K-prefix  and  IN  MIDDLE OF  THE  QSO 
THE  COUNTRY  OF  UT6UA  IS  CHANCED FROM  AZERBADJAN  TO   UKRAINE ....!!! 
I NEVER WONT  CONSIDER  THIS AS  A  COMPLETE  QSO! !!! 

 73 de DL5MAE Wolfgang

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 Lars Pettersson <sm4ive at telia.com>
 schrieb am Fr, 22.8.2014:

 Betreff: Re: [Moon] The Swedish 4Th 432 & UP EME meeting  CW
  An: "Bernd DF2ZC" <df2zc1 at googlemail.com>
  CC: moon at moonbounce.info
  Datum: Freitag, 22. August, 2014 15:11 Uhr

    As a follow up to your previoues email.

      There are
 lots of information on internet how a QSO  should be
        performed to be able to
 count as a QSO

    Both callsings should be sent and Report  and  confirmation of

    report. AKA RRRR

      That i belive we could agree
 on?

      Despite this
 rules  many dont follow this rules  and  even  MR
      Almighty JT himself encourage
 not to send the complete  call  becouse

    the JT software cant handle long calls.

      http://mailman.pe1itr.com/pipermail/moon-net/2014-June/020725.html

      So Bernd
 DF2ZC    is this QSO in above link  OK

      if you should follow
 the rules??????? NO ITS NOT  you could

    compare it with if i call you with 2ZF de  sm4ive  is this a
      QSO????
 NO NO NO        

    I still expecting an serioues answer in this  matter.

    No In Sweden we have not Blown up houses or  Killed  peoples since
      1600
 th centuary 

    Lars SM4IVE

      CW is King

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