[Moon] Deep Search IS cheating

[jrgroeger at ewetel.net]

"If WSJT would have been without DS module ant the calltxt file then  
it would realy be something! And i belive that most HAms would have  
accept it"


That would at least have gone some way towards avoiding a lot of  
misconceptions and arguments........

JR "Jo" Groeger
DK3NG/G4XXW





Zitat von Lars Pettersson <sm4ive at telia.com>:

> Hi Franz
>
> In my opinion the only band where activity has grown are 2 mtr   and  
> it also almost killed CW
> the activity has grown on 23 cm cw  but we see a trend on that band  
> also amongst  the Hams
> We are seeeing the same trend on higher bands but it might take some time.
>
> I have heard  thos explanations b4    abt   Railways cars etc etc
>
> If WSJT would have been without DS module ant the calltxt file then  
> it would realy be something! And i belive that most HAms would have  
> accept it.    but the software are not able to do weak signal  
> decodes without that. when signals are low it has to compare with  
> the data on the textfile,   hmmmmm  Radio No.
> Also the big Misstake  that Awards and contests where not separated,  
>   this was spoken for in 2002 EME    but nothing happend .
>
> As i said this ongoing debate will probably go on as long as the  
> Awards and contest rules are the way they are.
>
> Lars SM4IVE
>
>
> Franz van Velzen (OE3FVU / PE0WGA) skrev 2014-08-24 09:42:
>> Dear Lars,
>>
>> What is your point?
>>
>> Is it that JT65 in your view is cheating?
>> Well that is for everyone to decide himself. the arguments pro and  
>> contra have been presented over and over againa s long as Joe made  
>> this - in my view great, in your view chet - programm.
>> Your remark that the EME activity went down is incorrect, in fact,  
>> quite the contrary.
>>
>> Or is it that CW is not used any more?
>> That seems more like your problem....
>> If I look at the railways, I see electric and diesel driven trains,  
>> no steam trains anymore
>> If I look at the roads, I see automobiles, no carts and horses anymore
>> If I look at the telecom branch, I don't see any teley, fax in use anymore
>> If I look at TV there is a clear tendency, almost completed, to  
>> move to DVB-T
>> If I look at HAM radio, I see that home made radios are not used  
>> much anymore, but there are still some people finding it  
>> interesting to build and operate ones. Like there are people who  
>> loke to keep steam engines going, drive carts and horses, HAM's  
>> that operate fax, telex and HELL and Enigma machines, and a bunch  
>> of people who keep 405 TV alive.In all these cases, those who want  
>> to do that are hobbyists. That is fine...no... excellent.
>>
>> Well CW is STILL being used in HAM radio. For sure, not as much as  
>> it used to be. That is great, but it is a fact that new  
>> technologies come around, or do
>> you use 405 tubes for your eme RX ?
>>
>> If you want to use CW and if others want to use CW, excellent, but  
>> please do not start every few years the discussion about weather  
>> JT65 is a cheating mode
>> or not. JT65 opened the world of EME for many, many, many more  
>> stations as in the pre-WSJT years. It also opened up the  
>> possibilities to actiate remote countries by DX-peditions with a  
>> rewarding number of QSO's. JT65 has it benefits, if you like it or  
>> not, and it is a development of HAM Radio, which as far as I know,  
>> is hobby with a strong experimenting part. In any case, HAM radio  
>> should be very open to new technologies, and that is hardly  
>> possible with CW considering that it is about the first mode ever  
>> used... In that sense it is also a strange thing that the total  
>> amount of bandwidth allocated to CW is far more than the aggregate  
>> bandwidth allocated to other modes, at least on the bands below 23  
>> cm.
>>
>> Nevertheless, once I find the way to operate CW decently, I am  
>> looking forward to my first EME QSO in CW especially with you
>>
>> Best 73
>>
>> Franz (OE3FVU / PE0WGA)
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Moon [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info] On Behalf Of Lars  
>> Pettersson
>> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2014 6:14 AM
>> To: moon at moonbounce.info
>> Subject: Re: [Moon] Deep Search IS cheating
>>
>> Sure we do what game we like to play,
>>   BUT when many of the cw ops prefere working  JT  just to be able  
>> to make some new DXCC it will have a negative trend on EME  becouse  
>> then the Dinos will quite after a while,  becouse there are non to  
>> work on
>> CW.  we have seen this happend on 2 mtr and 432       soon on higher
>> freq.  And after some time the JT ops will get borred by looking at  
>> the screen , and Voila no activity, well at least very little ,  Ok  
>> there will always be some newcomers , but it will be lonley even  
>> for them.
>> With facit in the hand  just sitt down and think how many of the former
>> EMErs are QRV ???   compared to the days B4 JT Ok some have gone SK  but
>> many many stoped.
>>
>> It was interesting to see PA0BAT list of stations     many of the
>> stations on that list are not QRV anymore..
>> Lars Sm4IVE
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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> CW is King!!!!
>
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