[Moon] Fw: [Moon-Net] Z21EME on 2m and 70cm with 1Y

serge ve1kg at eastlink.ca
Wed Nov 5 17:46:51 CET 2014


Ed when your done can you help me with 10ghz???
Serge
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Edward R Cole 
  To: Peter Blair ; ok1teh Petrzilka ; moon at moonbounce.info 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 4:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [Moon] Fw: [Moon-Net] Z21EME on 2m and 70cm with 1Y


  With limited funds, I am having to chose which bands to activate.  I have worked a small handful of stations on 70cm using my dish with rudimentary feed and 100w, but am not encouraged to invest for 1000w and full-blown feed for that band.  70cm-eme is in limbo as far as my future.  I have a 125w amp but mixed feelings whether to build a good feed for 70cm or just skip it. 125w would only be good for JT65.

  Instead I will be on 23cm-eme with both CW & JT65C.  G4CCH was my first CW-eme contact running only 50w.  Now madly working to have 100w+ ready for this weekend.

  Then I will work on my 6m-eme system and finishing the 1296 300w amp.  Winter project will be working on 3400 for a goal of spring QRV.

  So there you have it.  70cm doesn't attract me.  

  73, Ed - KL7UW

  At 02:15 AM 11/5/2014, Peter Blair wrote:

    Higher bands are going up, but this is caused only because of better and cheaper high power PAs.
    Not really Matej, they do help, but I think the real reason is THE CHALLENGE....people built difficult / impossible tube PAs in the past ( OZ9CRâ?Ts) and today put TWTs with 3kV+ at the dish focus. The challenge to optimise the system and to make difficult QSOs is to them more of a challenge than grid collecting.
    Well done on your QSO, you do put real effort into optimising your systems, I know.
    73 Peter G3LTF 
     
    From: ok1teh Petrzilka 
    Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 10:46 AM
    To: moon at moonbounce.info 
    Subject: Re: [Moon] Fw: [Moon-Net] Z21EME on 2m and 70cm with 1Y
     
    Hmm better statistics would show another thing: there aren't
    new hamradio EME/VHF DX operators below age of 30. Community
    is getting older so total number of active stations in any mode is
    going down. Higher bands are going up, but this is caused
    only because of better and cheaper high power PAs. Next thing
    is electromagnetic smog which is increasing rapidly especially
    on 70cm. Saying that WSJT is causing the drop down of EME
    operation in contest without considering similar variables
    isn't reliable indeed.

    Other thing is how to get more young people in our hobby
    and especially on VHF & up bands. I would say that abandoning
    CW requirement for HF license was the biggest mistake,
    but it's just my humble opinion..

    73
    Matej, OK1TEH

    ---------- Původní zpráva ----------
    Od: sm4ive <sm4ive at telia.com>
    Komu: ok1dfc at seznam.cz, Martin Andrew <martin.andrew at btinternet.com>
    Datum: 5. 11. 2014 10:20:31
    PÅTedmÄ>t: Re: [Moon] Fw: [Moon-Net] Z21EME on 2m and 70cm with 1Y


      It could be interesting to look at CT1DMK statistik regarding ARRL 

      If you take a look from 2002 and forward the year that Wsjt was suposed to be an entry mode.The sceen is very clear what happend on the bands from 70cm and up

      It shows clearly

      2010 i worked 117 qso on 23 cm

      Still lots of cw but same trend as 70cm

      73 Lars sm4ive





      Skickat från min Samsung Mobil



      -------- Originalmeddelande --------

      Från: ok1dfc at seznam.cz 

      Datum:2014-11-05 10:26 (GMT+01:00) 

      Till: Martin Andrew 

      Kopia: moon at moonbounce.info 

      Rubrik: Re: [Moon] Fw: [Moon-Net] Z21EME on 2m and 70cm with 1Y 


      Martin, problem is that your setup is not too small, but activity is to low. I agree with Lars. I stop to work on 432 MHz CW activity weekends year ago, because CQing 4 hours with my QRO and worked 9 stations! It is not that I do not hear them, they are not on the band. This weekend I will try to work on 1296 MHz to compare activity with previous years. This year MW ARRL was very sad! Sample is 13cm band, easy to reach to be there with small setup. During 13 cm weekend  Franta OK1CA with 10m dish worked 23 stations, OK1KKD with really nice setup worked 23 stations. Do you know why? No activity. OK1KKD was full time on and did not miss any station, so 23 was maximum to do. Two years ago I have in log 89 stations on 13cm. So this is reason.


      -- 

      Zdenek - OK1DFC

      www.ok1dfc.com 

      QRV 144 - 3400 MHz EME - QRO and 10m DISH

      WAC 432 - 1296 - 2320 MHz

      DXCC 432 MHz


      ---------- Původní zpráva ----------

      Od: Martin Andrew <martin.andrew at btinternet.com>

      Komu: moon at moonbounce.info

      Datum: 5. 11. 2014 10:02:03

      PÅTedmÄ>t: Re: [Moon] Fw: [Moon-Net] Z21EME on 2m and 70cm with 1Y


        Matej,

        I have to agree. Tried 432MHz EME, 400 Watt and 4X19 earlier in the year. 

        23 initials was all I could work. Maybe the wrong time of year, maybe my setup was too

        small.

        I just put it down to low activity during winter months.

        Meantime I am wondering who has worked 'GM' in the last few months on 432MHz.



        Martin, GM6VXB

          ----- Original Message ----- 

          From: ok1teh Petrzilka 

          To: moon at moonbounce.info 

          Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 8:27 AM

          Subject: Re: [Moon] Fw: [Moon-Net] Z21EME on 2m and 70cm with 1Y



          With such an attitude of big guns on 70cm

          it's no surprise that newcomers with small

          stations will lose their interest and move on

          another band..


          Matej, OK1TEH



          ---------- Původní zpráva ----------

          Od: sm4ive <sm4ive at telia.com>

          Komu: ok1teh Petrzilka <ok1teh at seznam.cz>, moon at moonbounce.info

          Datum: 5. 11. 2014 8:19:29

          PÅTedmÄ>t: SV: Re: [Moon] Fw: [Moon-Net] Z21EME on 2m and 70cm with 1Y


            Hi i will probably not be QRV i have lost intrest

            And since most stations are in dodlemode its just waist of time

            Gl

            Lars Sm4ive





            Skickat från min Samsung Mobil



            -------- Originalmeddelande --------

            Från: ok1teh Petrzilka 

            Datum:2014-11-05 08:50 (GMT+01:00) 

            Till: moon at moonbounce.info 

            Rubrik: Re: [Moon] Fw: [Moon-Net] Z21EME on 2m and 70cm with 1Y 


            tnx Lars, you know I haven't posted that spot about Z21

            at moon at moonbounce.info myself..


            73 & hope to work you during ARRL EME Contest on 70cm as usual

            Matej, OK1TEH



            ---------- Původní zpráva ----------

            Od: Lars Pettersson <sm4ive at telia.com>

            Komu: moon at moonbounce.info

            Datum: 5. 11. 2014 6:28:39

            PÅTedmÄ>t: Re: [Moon] Fw: [Moon-Net] Z21EME on 2m and 70cm with 1Y


              congratulations. Matej!


              Now im convinced  !!!!


              I will take down my big Dish  its just no need for BIG antennas anymore, !!

              Advantage!! 1 Yagi less wind damage and you can sleep well during storms.

              So now we got the proff Size dosent matter :-)


              Congrats again


              73 Lars SM4IVE



              serge skrev 2014-11-04 23:27:



                ----- Original Message ----- 

                From: serge 

                To: ok1teh Petrzilka ; moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com ; moon-net at googlegroups.com 

                Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 10:18 PM

                Subject: Re: [Moon-Net] Z21EME on 2m and 70cm with 1Y



                I was a witness to this unbelievable event Matej for president!!!! congratulations. I am proud to know you

                Serge VE1KG

                  ----- Original Message ----- 

                  From: ok1teh Petrzilka 

                  To: moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com ; moon-net at googlegroups.com 

                  Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 11:21 AM

                  Subject: [Moon-Net] Z21EME on 2m and 70cm with 1Y



                  Hello all,

                  just for an info, yesterday I worked Z21EME on 2m

                  with unexpectedly booming signals -24dB in peek,

                  QSO was done in less than 10 minutes after my first

                  call. It was nice surprise for me because during

                  PE1L's expeditions we usual made it after several days

                  of attempts. I used on 2m single 10el dk7zb with noisy

                  background (Prague), 16m long H1000 cable and

                  MGF1302 LNA in shack.


                  But what was absolutely incredible for me, I worked Z21EME

                  even on 432 MHz!! It's my first ever 1Y to 1Y EME QSO on

                  this band. I remember Bernd's DL7APV article in Dubus that

                  something like that should be possible due to VK3UM's calculations

                  but I've never thought that it's possible for me because of big noise.


                  First when I logged at HB9Q chat, I saw that Z21EME was

                  spotted by OK1DFC -12dB and better than -22dB by PA2V

                  with his 4x23el LFA yagi. As far I knew that Peter PA2V

                  had the same RX capabilities with his single 23el LFA yagi

                  like me I realized that it could be possible to see Z21EME

                  some 5dB worse, so around -27dB. Later Z21EME was decoded

                  by NC1I -12dB and I saw Frank NC1I during his QSO -15dB.

                  After that I decoded OH6UW -27dB and later even G4EZP -29dB.

                  What a condx! While I was watching in both periods I realized

                  that there is one weak trace only i Z21EME period. During QSO

                  with another station I saw ST messages. Yes it's Z21EME, WOW.

                  And after that - pop up, I decoded -29dB msg! After that I started calling

                  and nothing was decoded so I wrote Z21EME sri missed you in noise,

                  tnx for test. They wrote sri we saw you -27dB! Since then I was

                  watching their frequency and started calling when they got stronger

                  again. Then 2 periods of break for PA cooling and suddenly I

                  decoded both callsign with OOO ;-) Signal felt down in noise again

                  but after 12min I finally decoded final RRR. ST can be seen on

                  my printscreen of SpecJT. After QSO Chris from Z21EME wrote

                  me that they saw me -25dB in peek, truly amazing! I know that

                  guys like SM4IVE, etc would say hey that's cheating with such a

                  weak signal, but I don't care ;)


                  Pictures from QSOs at:

                  http://ok1teh.nagano.cz/eme/z21eme_70cm041114.png

                  http://ok1teh.nagano.cz/eme/z21eme_2m0301114.png


                  I still can't believe that Z21EME used on 70cm only 38el M2 and 400W

                  (directly next to antenna), but it seems be true. Before this 1Y - 1Y QSO

                  the smallest stations in my 70cm log were UA4AQL 2x26el 700W (-27dB)

                  and EA3XU 2x21elY 500W (-27dB).


                  My equipment at: http://ok1teh.nagano.cz/equip.htm


                  Conclusion: don't be shy to try work Z21EME with Single Yagi

                  on 2m and 70cm, it's possible!



                  73 & big tnx to Z21EME team

                  Matej, OK1TEH

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