From g3ltf at btinternet.com  Sun Nov  1 12:47:53 2015
From: g3ltf at btinternet.com (Peter Blair)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 11:47:53 -0000
Subject: [Moon] Farnell SMPSU
Message-ID: <A134474914464A23B9A7ED48CFC70958@PeterKBlairPC5>

Is anyone on this list using a ( rather old) 50 A Farnell SMPSU number F2705SCC? Im looking for circuit or even just an identification of which board does what. I need to locate the start up circuit.
Im going to have one more go at trying to fix it before it goes to the tip.
Please contact off list. g3ltf AT btinternet.com 
Thanks,  73 Peter G3LTF 
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From eme at kc4sw.com  Mon Nov  2 01:17:57 2015
From: eme at kc4sw.com (Stephen Hanselman)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 16:17:57 -0800
Subject: [Moon] ARRL contest and more! cheating
In-Reply-To: <5634FC0D.6030502@telia.com>
References: <5634E6E8.3000707@gmail.com> <5634FC0D.6030502@telia.com>
Message-ID: <5C6F674D-7B94-4DB7-B6B4-975B4E6E2659@kc4sw.com>

From talking to some of the real old time EMEers (mostly SK now) they used 20M to "coordinate" those QSOs. 

Hmmmm, 

73's
 
Stephen Hanselman, KC4SW
Datagate Systems, LLC
3107 North Deer Run Road #24
Carson City, Nevada, 89701
(775) 882-5117 office
(775) 720-6020 mobile
s.hanselman at datagatesystems.com
www.datagatesystems.com
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> On Oct 31, 2015, at 10:36, Lars Pettersson <sm4ive at telia.com> wrote:
> 
> So you support cheating? SJR     And if you think its Boring Bj?rn  Dont read,  
> 
> As my first post was regarding not sending full calls are accepted? we can close this hoppy and start skyping via internet. 
> 
> Ed KL7UW says that internet chats are good for teaching newcomers!!!!what a bullshit!!!
> 
> How Did Peter LTF  and all the other oldtimrs learned??????????????????  You have a clue?
>   When i got on back in 1979   we looked into Eimac notes and used Nautical almenac  no computers,   every thing was basic basic    could you imagane ED    And we made a lot of QSO `s    how was that Possible NO INTERNET no Chats it must have been MAGIC!
> And with facit Peter and all of us others maneged to work EME for more than 25-40 years  how did we manage that with out Internet? Gofigure  BY selflearning
> 
> Maybe we need to hold the hands on the newcomers and tell them how to do.
> 
> Lars     SM4        (ive)
> 
> 
> 
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From rmb1991 at live.com  Mon Nov  2 01:54:37 2015
From: rmb1991 at live.com (Ron Barlow)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 00:54:37 +0000
Subject: [Moon] ARRL contest and more! cheating
In-Reply-To: <5C6F674D-7B94-4DB7-B6B4-975B4E6E2659@kc4sw.com>
References: <5634E6E8.3000707@gmail.com>
 <5634FC0D.6030502@telia.com>, <5C6F674D-7B94-4DB7-B6B4-975B4E6E2659@kc4sw.com>
Message-ID: <BY2PR14MB0294350A8167788D6F43FA98DE2C0@BY2PR14MB0294.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

20m was used to make schedules, NOT as a chat room forum to exchange signal reports and "rogers".

                                            73 de Ron n4gjv


________________________________
From: Moon <moon-bounces at moonbounce.info> on behalf of Stephen Hanselman <eme at kc4sw.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 1, 2015 7:17 PM
To: Lars Pettersson
Cc: moon at moonbounce.info
Subject: Re: [Moon] ARRL contest and more! cheating

>From talking to some of the real old time EMEers (mostly SK now) they used 20M to "coordinate" those QSOs.

Hmmmm,

73's

Stephen Hanselman, KC4SW
Datagate Systems, LLC
3107 North Deer Run Road #24
Carson City, Nevada, 89701
(775) 882-5117<tel:(775)%20882-5117> office
(775) 720-6020<tel:(775)%20720-6020> mobile
s.hanselman at datagatesystems.com<mailto:s.hanselman at datagatesystems.com>
www.datagatesystems.com<http://www.datagatesystems.com/>
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Sent from my iPad

On Oct 31, 2015, at 10:36, Lars Pettersson <sm4ive at telia.com<mailto:sm4ive at telia.com>> wrote:

So you support cheating? SJR     And if you think its Boring Bj?rn  Dont read,

As my first post was regarding not sending full calls are accepted? we can close this hoppy and start skyping via internet.

Ed KL7UW says that internet chats are good for teaching newcomers!!!!what a bullshit!!!

How Did Peter LTF  and all the other oldtimrs learned??????????????????  You have a clue?
  When i got on back in 1979   we looked into Eimac notes and used Nautical almenac  no computers,   every thing was basic basic    could you imagane ED    And we made a lot of QSO `s    how was that Possible NO INTERNET no Chats it must have been MAGIC!
And with facit Peter and all of us others maneged to work EME for more than 25-40 years  how did we manage that with out Internet? Gofigure  BY selflearning

Maybe we need to hold the hands on the newcomers and tell them how to do.

Lars     SM4        (ive)



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From eme at kc4sw.com  Mon Nov  2 04:00:28 2015
From: eme at kc4sw.com (Stephen Hanselman)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 19:00:28 -0800
Subject: [Moon] ARRL contest and more! cheating
In-Reply-To: <1446425107.49882.YahooMailBasic@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1446425107.49882.YahooMailBasic@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <704065A5-B5F5-4F27-A864-0095F2608267@kc4sw.com>

Ron,

I must be using a different web site.  

What I saw was "CQ ###, seq"., "thanks for QSO, here's what I received" etc. 

I suspect in the old days it went something like "hey, fill in call here, let's make a schedule on ### at ##:##."  And after the contact I suspect there was a lot of chatting about what happened, went right, and more importantly wrong.

Sounds the same to me

What I really see here is the same rant we beat into the ground 6 months ago.  If you don't like it, change it don't flap your jaws. Put a like minded group together and present a plan, start your own contest, etc.  

73's
 
Stephen Hanselman, KC4SW
Datagate Systems, LLC
3107 North Deer Run Road #24
Carson City, Nevada, 89701
(775) 882-5117 office
(775) 720-6020 mobile
s.hanselman at datagatesystems.com
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Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 1, 2015, at 16:45, R M Barlow <qstdemb at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> 20m was used to make schedules, NOT as a chat room type forum to exchange signal reports, and "rogers".
>                                              73 de Ron  n4gjv
> 
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------
> On Sun, 11/1/15, Stephen Hanselman <eme at kc4sw.com> wrote:
> 
> Subject: Re: [Moon] ARRL contest and more! cheating
> To: "Lars Pettersson" <sm4ive at telia.com>
> Cc: moon at moonbounce.info
> Date: Sunday, November 1, 2015, 7:17 PM
> 
> From
> talking to some of the real old time EMEers (mostly SK now)
> they used 20M to "coordinate" those
> QSOs. 
> Hmmmm, 
> 
> 73's  Stephen Hanselman,
> KC4SWDatagate
> Systems, LLC3107 North Deer Run
> Road #24Carson City, Nevada,
> 89701(775)
> 882-5117 office(775)
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From g3ltf at btinternet.com  Mon Nov  2 09:41:56 2015
From: g3ltf at btinternet.com (Peter Blair)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 08:41:56 -0000
Subject: [Moon] G3LTF Weekend results
Message-ID: <F709E1A2682647A4AAEABA2E943C011E@PeterKBlairPC5>

I was only able to operate for a total of 7.5 hours at the weekend, (on 23cm only)  on the second and third passes, but I worked 52 fully random on CW with N1VT as a new one and some nice pileups occasionally. Thats a QSO rate of 7/ hour, and  that included fault finding after Murphy visited the SDR s/w. Thanks to all for the nice QSOs.
Alan VK4CDI... really nice to QSO again after a long time and also  F6ETI... we have worked before I know but are you in the same QTH?
73 Peter G3LTF  
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From fr5dn at izi.re  Mon Nov  2 11:24:24 2015
From: fr5dn at izi.re (Phil - FR5DN)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 14:24:24 +0400
Subject: [Moon] anaren coupler
In-Reply-To: <201411291736.sATHaACx064140@ingra.acsalaska.net>
References: <5479B50C.1070806@telia.com>
 <1BEDCC7E894241D1A433B8A77942FEB9@yourf2bcrprmnp>
 <201411291736.sATHaACx064140@ingra.acsalaska.net>
Message-ID: <563739D8.1050301@izi.re>


Hello!

I have got some uhf power modules with Anaren hybrid couplers 1H0264-3 
designed for operation from 440 to 880 Mhz.

I wonder if anyone tried these couplers on 432 and if they performed 
well or not.

Tks for any reply.

Vy73 - Phil - FR5DN

From cats at amplex.net  Mon Nov  2 16:54:54 2015
From: cats at amplex.net (craig)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 10:54:54 -0500
Subject: [Moon] ARRL contest and more! cheating
In-Reply-To: <704065A5-B5F5-4F27-A864-0095F2608267@kc4sw.com>
References: <1446425107.49882.YahooMailBasic@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
 <704065A5-B5F5-4F27-A864-0095F2608267@kc4sw.com>
Message-ID: <AF0F44C4E8C54CFAAE01F0008EEB6D1A@SHOP>

Well Stephen, ?suspecting? how things worked in the old days is NOT the same as actually being there.
Being on 3 EME bands myself back then; I have a different version (actual) of what you wrongly ?suspect?.

You see, 20m is not open to the whole world at the same time. Therefore, we had net controls which controlled the conversations and therefore the scheduling.
Often times, Station A could not chat directly with Station B.
So the net control coordinated the schedules. This worked quite well; but NOT for chatting about contacts after they happened (or didn?t)

In closing, it was NOT the same thing.

Craig, N8DJB


From: Stephen Hanselman 
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2015 10:00 PM
To: R M Barlow 
Cc: moon at moonbounce.info 
Subject: Re: [Moon] ARRL contest and more! cheating

Ron,

I must be using a different web site.  

What I saw was "CQ ###, seq"., "thanks for QSO, here's what I received" etc. 

I suspect in the old days it went something like "hey, fill in call here, let's make a schedule on ### at ##:##."  And after the contact I suspect there was a lot of chatting about what happened, went right, and more importantly wrong.

Sounds the same to me

What I really see here is the same rant we beat into the ground 6 months ago.  If you don't like it, change it don't flap your jaws. Put a like minded group together and present a plan, start your own contest, etc.  

73's

 

Stephen Hanselman, KC4SW

Datagate Systems, LLC

3107 North Deer Run Road #24

Carson City, Nevada, 89701

(775) 882-5117 office

(775) 720-6020 mobile

s.hanselman at datagatesystems.com

www.datagatesystems.com

a Service Disabled, Veteran Owned Small Business

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Sent from my iPad

On Nov 1, 2015, at 16:45, R M Barlow <qstdemb at yahoo.com> wrote:


  20m was used to make schedules, NOT as a chat room type forum to exchange signal reports, and "rogers".
                                               73 de Ron  n4gjv



  --------------------------------------------
  On Sun, 11/1/15, Stephen Hanselman <eme at kc4sw.com> wrote:

  Subject: Re: [Moon] ARRL contest and more! cheating
  To: "Lars Pettersson" <sm4ive at telia.com>
  Cc: moon at moonbounce.info
  Date: Sunday, November 1, 2015, 7:17 PM

  From
  talking to some of the real old time EMEers (mostly SK now)
  they used 20M to "coordinate" those
  QSOs. 
  Hmmmm, 

  73's  Stephen Hanselman,
  KC4SWDatagate
  Systems, LLC3107 North Deer Run
  Road #24Carson City, Nevada,
  89701(775)
  882-5117 office(775)
  720-6020 mobiles.hanselman at datagatesystems.comwww.datagatesystems.coma Service Disabled, Veteran Owned
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From sm2cew at telia.com  Mon Nov  2 21:58:44 2015
From: sm2cew at telia.com (Peter Sundberg)
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2015 20:58:44 +0000
Subject: [Moon] ARRL contest and more! cheating
In-Reply-To: <5C6F674D-7B94-4DB7-B6B4-975B4E6E2659@kc4sw.com>
References: <5634E6E8.3000707@gmail.com> <5634FC0D.6030502@telia.com>
 <5C6F674D-7B94-4DB7-B6B4-975B4E6E2659@kc4sw.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.0.1446497352.3580.moon@moonbounce.info>

You assumptions are not correct Stephen, in fact they are quite insulting.

As I was running the 2m Eu EME net for many years and acted as a 
relay for VE7BQH traffic I certainly know what I am talking about. 
Same goes for the classic K1RQG 432& above EME Net.

There is no need to justify todays lack of QSO ethics by saying that 
things were the same when we used 20m to coordinate schedules, often 
2-4 weeks in advance. NOTHING was done in real time in those days.

Hmmmmmm..

Peter SM2CEW



At 00:17 2015-11-02, Stephen Hanselman wrote:
> From talking to some of the real old time EMEers (mostly SK now) 
> they used 20M to "coordinate" those QSOs.
>
>Hmmmm,
>
>73's
>
>
>
>Stephen Hanselman, KC4SW
>
>Datagate Systems, LLC



From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Mon Nov  2 22:33:47 2015
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2015 12:33:47 -0900
Subject: [Moon] ARRL contest and more! cheating
In-Reply-To: <AF0F44C4E8C54CFAAE01F0008EEB6D1A@SHOP>
References: <1446425107.49882.YahooMailBasic@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
 <704065A5-B5F5-4F27-A864-0095F2608267@kc4sw.com>
 <AF0F44C4E8C54CFAAE01F0008EEB6D1A@SHOP>
Message-ID: <201511022133.tA2LXlUR021791@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>

I used to check into the 2m EME Net on 14.345 
when Lionel - VE7BQH ran it and it was mostly 
tech-talk or making future skeds.  I never observed real-time eme assistance.

Like Craig states 20m prop was often not amenable 
for all to hear each other.  It worked well for 
me to check-in due to the 1300 mi distance to 
Lionel. Trying to check-in when Steve-N4PZ tried 
resurrecting the Net was very "iffy" at our distance.

That would not preclude one using HF or VHF for a 
liaison channel for testing or coordination, but 
I never witnessed this. My impression was that 
the eme link was frequently more reliable than a 
coordination channel.  Mw folks use coordination 
by radio at 144 or 432 (even HF) but often the 
prop is worse then the mw circuit.  Heard often 
that they made 10-GHz and then coordinated the coordinating freq link up<smile>

Internet has no prop issue so works very well for 
coordination.  But it is also tempting to use 
improperly for initial contacts.  I see this not 
a functional issue but one of education and discipline. <and enough about that>

73, Ed - KL7UW
Good WE for me even with first night Murphy 
attack: 144 worked 34; 1296 worked 14.  Will do 
better next time now that I am "learning" 1296 
differences.  Promise CW will be used for 1296 
next WE; miss out on too many contacts otherwise.

At 06:54 AM 11/2/2015, craig wrote:
>Well Stephen, ???suspecting??? how things worked 
>in the old days is NOT the same as actually being there.
>Being on 3 EME bands myself back then; I have a 
>different version (actual) of what you wrongly ???suspect???.
>
>You see, 20m is not open to the whole world at 
>the same time. Therefore, we had net controls 
>which controlled the conversations and therefore the scheduling.
>Often times, Station A could not chat directly with Station B.
>So the net control coordinated the schedules. 
>This worked quite well; but NOT for chatting 
>about contacts after they happened (or didn???t)
>
>In closing, it was NOT the same thing.
>
>Craig, N8DJB
>
>
>From: <mailto:eme at kc4sw.com>Stephen Hanselman
>Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2015 10:00 PM
>To: <mailto:qstdemb at yahoo.com>R M Barlow
>Cc: <mailto:moon at moonbounce.info>moon at moonbounce.info
>Subject: Re: [Moon] ARRL contest and more! cheating
>
>Ron,
>
>I must be using a different web site.
>
>What I saw was "CQ ###, seq"., "thanks for QSO, here's what I received" etc.
>
>I suspect in the old days it went something like 
>"hey, fill in call here, let's make a schedule 
>on ### at ##:##."  And after the contact I 
>suspect there was a lot of chatting about what 
>happened, went right, and more importantly wrong.
>
>Sounds the same to me
>
>What I really see here is the same rant we beat 
>into the ground 6 months ago.  If you don't like 
>it, change it don't flap your jaws. Put a like 
>minded group together and present a plan, start your own contest, etc.
>
>
>73's
>
>
>
>Stephen Hanselman, KC4SW
>
>Datagate Systems, LLC
>
><x-apple-data-detectors://0/0>3107 North Deer Run Road #24
>
><x-apple-data-detectors://0/0>Carson City, Nevada, 89701
>
><tel:(775)%20882-5117>(775) 882-5117 office
>
><tel:(775)%20720-6020>(775) 720-6020 mobile
>
><mailto:s.hanselman at datagatesystems.com>s.hanselman at datagatesystems.com
>
>www.datagatesystems.com
>
>a Service Disabled, Veteran Owned Small Business
>
>DISCLAIMER:
>This e-mail and any attachments are intended 
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>proprietary information. If you are not the 
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>attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have 
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>Sent from my iPad
>
>On Nov 1, 2015, at 16:45, R M Barlow 
><<mailto:qstdemb at yahoo.com>qstdemb at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>20m was used to make schedules, NOT as a chat 
>>room type forum to exchange signal reports, and "rogers".
>>                                              73 de Ron  n4gjv
>>
>>
>>
>>--------------------------------------------
>>On Sun, 11/1/15, Stephen Hanselman 
>><<mailto:eme at kc4sw.com>eme at kc4sw.com> wrote:
>>
>>Subject: Re: [Moon] ARRL contest and more! cheating
>>To: "Lars Pettersson" <<mailto:sm4ive at telia.com>sm4ive at telia.com>
>>Cc: <mailto:moon at moonbounce.info>moon at moonbounce.info
>>Date: Sunday, November 1, 2015, 7:17 PM
>>
>>From
>>talking to some of the real old time EMEers (mostly SK now)
>>they used 20M to "coordinate" those
>>QSOs.
>>Hmmmm,
>>
>>73's  Stephen Hanselman,
>>KC4SWDatagate
>>Systems, LLC3107 North Deer Run
>>Road #24Carson City, Nevada,
>>89701(775)
>>882-5117 office(775)
>>720-6020 
>><mailto:mobiles.hanselman at datagatesystems.comwww.datagatesystems.coma>mobiles.hanselman at datagatesystems.comwww.datagatesystems.coma 
>>Service Disabled, Veteran Owned
>>Small BusinessDISCLAIMER:This e-mail
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>>this e-mail and any attachments is strictly prohibited. If
>>you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately
>>notify me and permanently delete the original and all copies
>>and printouts of this e-mail and any
>>attachments.
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     "Kits made by KL7UW"
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From eme at kc4sw.com  Tue Nov  3 01:10:57 2015
From: eme at kc4sw.com (Stephen Hanselman)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 16:10:57 -0800
Subject: [Moon] ARRL contest and more! cheating
In-Reply-To: <20151102205854.05564B415D4@firewall.kc4sw.com>
References: <5634E6E8.3000707@gmail.com> <5634FC0D.6030502@telia.com>
 <5C6F674D-7B94-4DB7-B6B4-975B4E6E2659@kc4sw.com>
 <20151102205854.05564B415D4@firewall.kc4sw.com>
Message-ID: <DAD6ABD5-AF44-4C09-9A32-389D935352A7@kc4sw.com>

Great, your comments are just as rude and insulting. 

What we have here is a few folks who have spent a pile of money and built complex stations.  These stations give them the ability to look at "everything" and make the decision of who to work easy.  This is as opposed to those of us on a much tighter budget who can only look one place at a time hoping to find a workable signal.  In other words they have built a station that gives them an advantage in contesting and they want to keep that advantage. 

By the way my info on what was discussed came direct from the participants mouth so politely "to bad so sad"

73's
 
Stephen Hanselman, KC4SW
Datagate Systems, LLC
3107 North Deer Run Road #24
Carson City, Nevada, 89701
(775) 882-5117 office
(775) 720-6020 mobile
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> On Nov 2, 2015, at 12:58, Peter Sundberg <sm2cew at telia.com> wrote:
> 
> You assumptions are not correct Stephen, in fact they are quite insulting.
> 
> As I was running the 2m Eu EME net for many years and acted as a relay for VE7BQH traffic I certainly know what I am talking about. Same goes for the classic K1RQG 432& above EME Net.
> 
> There is no need to justify todays lack of QSO ethics by saying that things were the same when we used 20m to coordinate schedules, often 2-4 weeks in advance. NOTHING was done in real time in those days.
> 
> Hmmmmmm..
> 
> Peter SM2CEW
> 
> 
> 
> At 00:17 2015-11-02, Stephen Hanselman wrote:
>> From talking to some of the real old time EMEers (mostly SK now) they used 20M to "coordinate" those QSOs.
>> 
>> Hmmmm,
>> 
>> 73's
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Stephen Hanselman, KC4SW
>> 
>> Datagate Systems, LLC
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From eme at kc4sw.com  Tue Nov  3 01:16:29 2015
From: eme at kc4sw.com (Stephen Hanselman)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 16:16:29 -0800
Subject: [Moon] ARRL contest and more! cheating
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Ed,  
The only "assistance" I saw on the reflector was one European telling another European he did not receive his 73 and to resend it.  That should have totally invalidated that QSO.  I'm not saying it didn't happen and if it did them those QSOs were also invalid. 

I'm just tired of the bullshit that seems to come out of a few folks who seem to think of themselves as the policy makers and the police force for the rest of the world. 

For my own purposes I only looked at the CQ announcements although LiveCQ was a better source and that was completely within the rules.

73's
 
Stephen Hanselman, KC4SW
Datagate Systems, LLC
3107 North Deer Run Road #24
Carson City, Nevada, 89701
(775) 882-5117 office
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> On Nov 2, 2015, at 13:33, Edward R Cole <kl7uw at acsalaska.net> wrote:
> 
> I used to check into the 2m EME Net on 14.345 when Lionel - VE7BQH ran it and it was mostly tech-talk or making future skeds.  I never observed real-time eme assistance.
> 
> Like Craig states 20m prop was often not amenable for all to hear each other.  It worked well for me to check-in due to the 1300 mi distance to Lionel. Trying to check-in when Steve-N4PZ tried resurrecting the Net was very "iffy" at our distance.
> 
> That would not preclude one using HF or VHF for a liaison channel for testing or coordination, but I never witnessed this. My impression was that the eme link was frequently more reliable than a coordination channel.  Mw folks use coordination by radio at 144 or 432 (even HF) but often the prop is worse then the mw circuit.  Heard often that they made 10-GHz and then coordinated the coordinating freq link up<smile>
> 
> Internet has no prop issue so works very well for coordination.  But it is also tempting to use improperly for initial contacts.  I see this not a functional issue but one of education and discipline. <and enough about that>
> 
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
> Good WE for me even with first night Murphy attack: 144 worked 34; 1296 worked 14.  Will do better next time now that I am "learning" 1296 differences.  Promise CW will be used for 1296 next WE; miss out on too many contacts otherwise.
> 
> At 06:54 AM 11/2/2015, craig wrote:
>> Well Stephen, ?suspecting? how things worked in the old days is NOT the same as actually being there.
>> Being on 3 EME bands myself back then; I have a different version (actual) of what you wrongly ?suspect?.
>>  
>> You see, 20m is not open to the whole world at the same time. Therefore, we had net controls which controlled the conversations and therefore the scheduling.
>> Often times, Station A could not chat directly with Station B.
>> So the net control coordinated the schedules. This worked quite well; but NOT for chatting about contacts after they happened (or didn?t)
>>  
>> In closing, it was NOT the same thing.
>>  
>> Craig, N8DJB
>>  
>>  
>> From: Stephen Hanselman 
>> Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2015 10:00 PM
>> To: R M Barlow 
>> Cc: moon at moonbounce.info 
>> Subject: Re: [Moon] ARRL contest and more! cheating
>>  
>> Ron,
>>  
>> I must be using a different web site.  
>>  
>> What I saw was "CQ ###, seq"., "thanks for QSO, here's what I received" etc. 
>>  
>> I suspect in the old days it went something like "hey, fill in call here, let's make a schedule on ### at ##:##."  And after the contact I suspect there was a lot of chatting about what happened, went right, and more importantly wrong.
>>  
>> Sounds the same to me
>>  
>> What I really see here is the same rant we beat into the ground 6 months ago.  If you don't like it, change it don't flap your jaws. Put a like minded group together and present a plan, start your own contest, etc.  
>>  
>> 
>> 73's
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Stephen Hanselman, KC4SW
>> 
>> Datagate Systems, LLC
>> 
>> 3107 North Deer Run Road #24
>> 
>> Carson City, Nevada, 89701
>> 
>> (775) 882-5117 office
>> 
>> (775) 720-6020 mobile
>> 
>> s.hanselman at datagatesystems.com
>> 
>> www.datagatesystems.com
>> 
>> a Service Disabled, Veteran Owned Small Business
>> 
>> DISCLAIMER:
>> This e-mail and any attachments are intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail and any attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me and permanently delete the original and all copies and printouts of this e-mail and any attachments. 
>>  
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Nov 1, 2015, at 16:45, R M Barlow <qstdemb at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 20m was used to make schedules, NOT as a chat room type forum to exchange signal reports, and "rogers".
>>>                                              73 de Ron  n4gjv
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --------------------------------------------
>>> On Sun, 11/1/15, Stephen Hanselman <eme at kc4sw.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [Moon] ARRL contest and more! cheating
>>> To: "Lars Pettersson" <sm4ive at telia.com>
>>> Cc: moon at moonbounce.info
>>> Date: Sunday, November 1, 2015, 7:17 PM
>>> 
>>> From
>>> talking to some of the real old time EMEers (mostly SK now)
>>> they used 20M to "coordinate" those
>>> QSOs. 
>>> Hmmmm, 
>>> 
>>> 73's  Stephen Hanselman,
>>> KC4SWDatagate
>>> Systems, LLC3107 North Deer Run
>>> Road #24Carson City, Nevada,
>>> 89701(775)
>>> 882-5117 office(775)
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From g3ltf at btinternet.com  Tue Nov  3 08:33:24 2015
From: g3ltf at btinternet.com (Peter Blair)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 07:33:24 -0000
Subject: [Moon] ARRL contest and more! cheating
In-Reply-To: <AF0F44C4E8C54CFAAE01F0008EEB6D1A@SHOP>
References: <1446425107.49882.YahooMailBasic@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
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Folks, I must confess to some ?20m liason?.....sometime in 1968 Dick Turrin W2IMU arranged for a phone patch  from the Crawford Hill 60ft dish site to a station on the coast at Atlantic Highlands NJ (WB2NDH I think) and relayed my 1296MHz signal back to me in the UK. That was pretty fantastic to hear your own CW coming back from a big dish... but of course trying to send with a 2.5 sec delayed sidetone soon makes your CW unreadable.
The other thing to remember about the very early days of 23cm is that it wasn?t always about making formal contacts, although of course we did make those, but as much about things like testing CP vs linear, testing different feeds,  and testing preamps with a (reasonably) dependable signal off the moon a few times a year..... and they were 12-15dB stronger than anyone else, i.e they were audible! When the Crawford Hill dish closed down in 1972 23cm went quiet for several years. A lot of the material in the earlier W2IMU notes was a result of these tests. ( see my EME2012 paper for more details) 
73 Peter G3LTF 

From: craig 
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 3:54 PM
To: Stephen Hanselman ; R M Barlow 
Cc: moon at moonbounce.info 
Subject: Re: [Moon] ARRL contest and more! cheating

Well Stephen, ?suspecting? how things worked in the old days is NOT the same as actually being there.
Being on 3 EME bands myself back then; I have a different version (actual) of what you wrongly ?suspect?.

You see, 20m is not open to the whole world at the same time. Therefore, we had net controls which controlled the conversations and therefore the scheduling.
Often times, Station A could not chat directly with Station B.
So the net control coordinated the schedules. This worked quite well; but NOT for chatting about contacts after they happened (or didn?t)

In closing, it was NOT the same thing.

Craig, N8DJB


From: Stephen Hanselman 
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2015 10:00 PM
To: R M Barlow 
Cc: moon at moonbounce.info 
Subject: Re: [Moon] ARRL contest and more! cheating

Ron,

I must be using a different web site.  

What I saw was "CQ ###, seq"., "thanks for QSO, here's what I received" etc. 

I suspect in the old days it went something like "hey, fill in call here, let's make a schedule on ### at ##:##."  And after the contact I suspect there was a lot of chatting about what happened, went right, and more importantly wrong.

Sounds the same to me

What I really see here is the same rant we beat into the ground 6 months ago.  If you don't like it, change it don't flap your jaws. Put a like minded group together and present a plan, start your own contest, etc.  

73's

 

Stephen Hanselman, KC4SW

Datagate Systems, LLC

3107 North Deer Run Road #24

Carson City, Nevada, 89701

(775) 882-5117 office

(775) 720-6020 mobile

s.hanselman at datagatesystems.com

www.datagatesystems.com

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On Nov 1, 2015, at 16:45, R M Barlow <qstdemb at yahoo.com> wrote:


  20m was used to make schedules, NOT as a chat room type forum to exchange signal reports, and "rogers".
                                               73 de Ron  n4gjv



  --------------------------------------------
  On Sun, 11/1/15, Stephen Hanselman <eme at kc4sw.com> wrote:

  Subject: Re: [Moon] ARRL contest and more! cheating
  To: "Lars Pettersson" <sm4ive at telia.com>
  Cc: moon at moonbounce.info
  Date: Sunday, November 1, 2015, 7:17 PM

  From
  talking to some of the real old time EMEers (mostly SK now)
  they used 20M to "coordinate" those
  QSOs. 
  Hmmmm, 

  73's  Stephen Hanselman,
  KC4SWDatagate
  Systems, LLC3107 North Deer Run
  Road #24Carson City, Nevada,
  89701(775)
  882-5117 office(775)
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From sm4ive at telia.com  Tue Nov  3 08:40:36 2015
From: sm4ive at telia.com (Lars Pettersson)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 08:40:36 +0100
Subject: [Moon] ARRL contest and more! cheating
In-Reply-To: <DAD6ABD5-AF44-4C09-9A32-389D935352A7@kc4sw.com>
References: <5634E6E8.3000707@gmail.com> <5634FC0D.6030502@telia.com>
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*Correct me if i am wrong!*
*This hobby are a technical hobby, where main intrest are to get better 
euqipment, better LNA s better antennas, more skilled operators.*

The coment that we spent a pile of money to build a complex station, 
seems to me very odd. when i started EME i  built 4x 10 elem PA0MS, i 
had a Yaesu FT221r and a home built 2x 4cx250B
and a BFt 66 that was oscilating from time to time. Elevation was made 
by a hinge made of 2 steel plates and barn hinge, controled by a 16m 
long nylonstring that was pulled by a hammer, Yes i pulled the 
hamer,thru the open window and the indication was a pot and dc instument.
Later expaned to 8x 10 elem,  1981 and a bigger amp. BF981  (still in use)
My friend SM4GVF had 4x 16 elem tonnas, and he tilted his big tower to 
be able to elevate :
we had big fun and worked a lot of stations on 2 mtr cw
we had no chatts, and there was no internet, how was that possible that 
we could make this QSO s  without chatt and internet,

So as you can see its possible to do EME with a tight budget. So your 
coments are a bit ????????

*The above is AMATEUR RADIO, *

Not some harddisk looking for calls and if the call are to long dont use 
your complete call take what ever,  and send the rest on loggers
you are -20  i dont se you, bla bla bla send again bla bla   i miss your 
73     bla blka  by the way 73 are not needed for a complete QSO


Lars sm4ive

I appologaize for my english but i am a swede.



Den 2015-11-03 kl. 01:10, skrev Stephen Hanselman:
> Great, your comments are just as rude and insulting.
>
> What we have here is a few folks who have spent a pile of money and 
> built complex stations.  These stations give them the ability to look 
> at "everything" and make the decision of who to work easy.  This is as 
> opposed to those of us on a much tighter budget who can only look one 
> place at a time hoping to find a workable signal.  In other words they 
> have built a station that gives them an advantage in contesting and 
> they want to keep that advantage.
>
> By the way my info on what was discussed came direct from the 
> participants mouth so politely "to bad so sad"
>
> 73's
>
> Stephen Hanselman, KC4SW
>
> Datagate Systems, LLC
>
> 3107 North Deer Run Road #24 <x-apple-data-detectors://0/0>
>
> Carson City, Nevada, 89701 <x-apple-data-detectors://0/0>
>
> (775) 882-5117 <tel:%28775%29%20882-5117> office
>
> (775) 720-6020 <tel:%28775%29%20720-6020> mobile
>
> s.hanselman at datagatesystems.com <mailto:s.hanselman at datagatesystems.com>
>
> www.datagatesystems.com <http://www.datagatesystems.com/>
>
> a Service Disabled, Veteran Owned Small Business
>
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>
> This e-mail and any attachments are intended only for use by the 
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> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Nov 2, 2015, at 12:58, Peter Sundberg <sm2cew at telia.com 
> <mailto:sm2cew at telia.com>> wrote:
>
>> You assumptions are not correct Stephen, in fact they are quite 
>> insulting.
>>
>> As I was running the 2m Eu EME net for many years and acted as a 
>> relay for VE7BQH traffic I certainly know what I am talking about. 
>> Same goes for the classic K1RQG 432& above EME Net.
>>
>> There is no need to justify todays lack of QSO ethics by saying that 
>> things were the same when we used 20m to coordinate schedules, often 
>> 2-4 weeks in advance. NOTHING was done in real time in those days.
>>
>> Hmmmmmm..
>>
>> Peter SM2CEW
>>
>>
>>
>> At 00:17 2015-11-02, Stephen Hanselman wrote:
>>> From talking to some of the real old time EMEers (mostly SK now) 
>>> they used 20M to "coordinate" those QSOs.
>>>
>>> Hmmmm,
>>>
>>> 73's
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stephen Hanselman, KC4SW
>>>
>>> Datagate Systems, LLC
>>
>>

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From graham.d at orange.fr  Tue Nov  3 08:41:27 2015
From: graham.d at orange.fr (g d)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 08:41:27 +0100
Subject: [Moon] ARRL contest and more! cheating
In-Reply-To: <DAD6ABD5-AF44-4C09-9A32-389D935352A7@kc4sw.com>
References: <5634E6E8.3000707@gmail.com> <5634FC0D.6030502@telia.com>
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Message-ID: <56386527.6080200@orange.fr>


This is the real story here........regardless of which 'it' is discussed.


When everyone can do it for minimal effort and budget, with little, or 
even no understanding,  the challenge is gone for some people.

So all move on and do something else, because there are always more 
'everyones' than exceptional and talented 'some' people that thrive on 
challenge.

If you are in the second group your life will become insufferable and if 
you are in the first group you will never understand but can still have fun.


Graham 'MBI 'VHX

From g3ltf at btinternet.com  Tue Nov  3 09:27:50 2015
From: g3ltf at btinternet.com (Peter Blair)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 08:27:50 -0000
Subject: [Moon] 432 CW EME anyone?
Message-ID: <5C552B7AF93B4F41A7F8F1A613D6F566@PeterKBlairPC5>

GM All Ive just rebuilt my dual dipole feed and finished testing it ... all OK, great echoes but 90 degrees Faraday so I have to rotate the feed to hear them. Anyone who wants a test I?m on the HB9Q logger and I?ll be around for the next hour. At present I?m on 432.055  ( I do have to fit in 20 mins for my breakfast)
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From g3ltf at btinternet.com  Tue Nov  3 12:38:35 2015
From: g3ltf at btinternet.com (Peter Blair)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 11:38:35 -0000
Subject: [Moon] 432 CW EME anyone?
In-Reply-To: <5C552B7AF93B4F41A7F8F1A613D6F566@PeterKBlairPC5>
References: <5C552B7AF93B4F41A7F8F1A613D6F566@PeterKBlairPC5>
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That was good... I added two new ones, YL2GD, his first CW QSO on 432 ( thanks Gunnar) and while I was working him I could hear an SM7 calling me on the side so I moved down a bit off Gunar?s frequency and got the call, SM7GVF, Kjell who I think runs a single yagi. Kjell wasnt on the logger so we just found each other random... great, many thanks!
I then ran a test with N0IRS who runs single 33 ele and 1K. I could copy calls but unfortunately he could not find me.
If anyone wants asked for tomorrow I shall be QRV weather permitting.
73 Peter G3LTF 

From: Peter Blair 
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 8:27 AM
To: freetalk moonnet ; Moon-Net 
Subject: [Moon] 432 CW EME anyone?

GM All Ive just rebuilt my dual dipole feed and finished testing it ... all OK, great echoes but 90 degrees Faraday so I have to rotate the feed to hear them. Anyone who wants a test I?m on the HB9Q logger and I?ll be around for the next hour. At present I?m on 432.055  ( I do have to fit in 20 mins for my breakfast)
73 Peter G3LTF 


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From dfaessler at bluewin.ch  Tue Nov  3 12:34:02 2015
From: dfaessler at bluewin.ch (dfaessler)
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 12:34:02 +0100
Subject: [Moon] ARRL contest and more! cheating
Message-ID: <9xpvakmjyx275mhsxmc9vqbq.1446550442426@email.android.com>


    
As always when hanselman writes, its not worth to read.73 Hb9bbd


Von meinem Samsung Ger?t gesendet.

-------- Urspr?ngliche Nachricht --------
Von: Stephen Hanselman <eme at kc4sw.com> 
Datum: 03.11.2015  01:10  (GMT+01:00) 
An: Peter Sundberg <sm2cew at telia.com> 
Cc: moon at moonbounce.info 
Betreff: Re: [Moon] ARRL contest and more! cheating 

Great, your comments are just as rude and insulting.?
What we have here is a few folks who have spent a pile of money and built complex stations. ?These stations give them the ability to look at "everything" and make the decision of who to work easy. ?This is as opposed to those of us on a much tighter budget who can only look one place at a time hoping to find a workable signal. ?In other words they have built a station that gives them an advantage in contesting and they want to keep that advantage.?
By the way my info on what was discussed came direct from the participants mouth so politely "to bad so sad"
73's?Stephen Hanselman, KC4SWDatagate Systems, LLC3107 North Deer Run Road #24Carson City, Nevada, 89701(775) 882-5117?office(775) 720-6020?mobiles.hanselman at datagatesystems.comwww.datagatesystems.coma Service Disabled, Veteran Owned Small BusinessDISCLAIMER:This e-mail and any attachments are intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail and any attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me and permanently delete the original and all copies and printouts of this e-mail and any attachments.
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On Nov 2, 2015, at 12:58, Peter Sundberg <sm2cew at telia.com> wrote:

You assumptions are not correct Stephen, in fact they are quite insulting.

As I was running the 2m Eu EME net for many years and acted as a relay for VE7BQH traffic I certainly know what I am talking about. Same goes for the classic K1RQG 432& above EME Net.

There is no need to justify todays lack of QSO ethics by saying that things were the same when we used 20m to coordinate schedules, often 2-4 weeks in advance. NOTHING was done in real time in those days.

Hmmmmmm..

Peter SM2CEW



At 00:17 2015-11-02, Stephen Hanselman wrote:
From talking to some of the real old time EMEers (mostly SK now) they used 20M to "coordinate" those QSOs.

Hmmmm,

73's



Stephen Hanselman, KC4SW

Datagate Systems, LLC


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From roy at reedg3zig.plus.com  Tue Nov  3 17:40:40 2015
From: roy at reedg3zig.plus.com (Roy Reed)
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 16:40:40 +0000
Subject: [Moon] ARRL contest and more! cheating
In-Reply-To: <DAD6ABD5-AF44-4C09-9A32-389D935352A7@kc4sw.com>
Message-ID: <emf6a57918-9686-4537-887f-a494284f4946@woodgarston>

Shephen , you don't know what you are talking about .Many stations were 
built by the operator on a very very tight budget .You to could have an 
efficient top grade station if you were prepared to work for it ,so stop 
whinging .Many people today want it all without working for it.
          de g3zig

------ Original Message ------
From: "Stephen Hanselman" <eme at kc4sw.com>
To: "Peter Sundberg" <sm2cew at telia.com>
Cc: moon at moonbounce.info
Sent: 03/11/2015 00:10:57
Subject: Re: [Moon] ARRL contest and more! cheating

>Great, your comments are just as rude and insulting.
>
>What we have here is a few folks who have spent a pile of money and 
>built complex stations.  These stations give them the ability to look 
>at "everything" and make the decision of who to work easy.  This is as 
>opposed to those of us on a much tighter budget who can only look one 
>place at a time hoping to find a workable signal.  In other words they 
>have built a station that gives them an advantage in contesting and 
>they want to keep that advantage.
>
>By the way my info on what was discussed came direct from the 
>participants mouth so politely "to bad so sad"
>
>73's
>
>
>
>Stephen Hanselman, KC4SW
>
>Datagate Systems, LLC
>
>3107 North Deer Run Road #24
>
>Carson City, Nevada, 89701
>
>(775) 882-5117 office
>
>(775) 720-6020 mobile
>
>s.hanselman at datagatesystems.com
>
>http://www.datagatesystems.com/
>
>a Service Disabled, Veteran Owned Small Business
>
>DISCLAIMER:
>
>This e-mail and any attachments are intended only for use by the 
>addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or 
>proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, any 
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>Sent from my iPad
>
>On Nov 2, 2015, at 12:58, Peter Sundberg <sm2cew at telia.com> wrote:
>
>>You assumptions are not correct Stephen, in fact they are quite 
>>insulting.
>>
>>As I was running the 2m Eu EME net for many years and acted as a relay 
>>for VE7BQH traffic I certainly know what I am talking about. Same goes 
>>for the classic K1RQG 432& above EME Net.
>>
>>There is no need to justify todays lack of QSO ethics by saying that 
>>things were the same when we used 20m to coordinate schedules, often 
>>2-4 weeks in advance. NOTHING was done in real time in those days.
>>
>>Hmmmmmm..
>>
>>Peter SM2CEW
>>
>>
>>
>>At 00:17 2015-11-02, Stephen Hanselman wrote:
>>>From talking to some of the real old time EMEers (mostly SK now) they 
>>>used 20M to "coordinate" those QSOs.
>>>
>>>Hmmmm,
>>>
>>>73's
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Stephen Hanselman, KC4SW
>>>
>>>Datagate Systems, LLC
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From leif at sm5bsz.com  Wed Nov  4 00:01:25 2015
From: leif at sm5bsz.com (Leif Asbrink)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 00:01:25 +0100
Subject: [Moon] ARRL contest and more! cheating
In-Reply-To: <DAD6ABD5-AF44-4C09-9A32-389D935352A7@kc4sw.com>
References: <5634E6E8.3000707@gmail.com> <5634FC0D.6030502@telia.com>
 <5C6F674D-7B94-4DB7-B6B4-975B4E6E2659@kc4sw.com>
 <20151102205854.05564B415D4@firewall.kc4sw.com>
 <DAD6ABD5-AF44-4C09-9A32-389D935352A7@kc4sw.com>
Message-ID: <20151104000125.41985b5711fcd2c24ff92840@sm5bsz.com>

Hello Stephen,

> What we have here is a few folks who have spent a pile 
> of money and built complex stations.  These stations 
> give them the ability to look at "everything" and make 
> the decision of who to work easy.
Surely a lot of money is helpful in making a competitive
station...

> This is as opposed to those of us on a much tighter budget 
> who can only look one place at a time hoping to find a 
> workable signal. 
????
If you have the ability to occasionally decode jt65 you could
spend $20 for an rtlsdr dongle and get a waterfall on which 
you can see all the stations even on an old Pentium 3 computer:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/seuGlE4wXP0
Also low cost ARM platforms can be used.
(I assume here that the antenna is single polarization.)

The FunCube Pro+ at about ?120 works directly with MAP65. Google
for map65 and funcube. There are many pages to find.

If you want lowest cost, you need to understand a little about Linrad
(or you would need other means to resample.) If you would use Linrad
you would use a first instance to resample to 96 kHz which would
be sent to the network as "baseband resampled" and a second 
instance of Linrad that would receive the 96 kHz signal and then
convert it to the format that would fit map65. I am not aware anyone
has actually done this - but the performance of the rtlsdr dongle
is surprisingly good so it should be a perfectly working solution.
I would recommend the R820T or R820T2 tuner set to min bandwidth
(300 kHz) but with a high sampling rate to maximize dynamic range.
If you place the passband from 143.900 to 144.200 you could send 
144.130 +/- 45 kHz to the second instance of linrad while being 
well protected from local traffic higher up in the band.

> In other words they have built a station that gives them an 
> advantage in contesting and they want to keep that advantage. 
Sure - but it is not true that cost is the reason why you could
not have the benefit of seeing what is going on in the entire EME
sub-band.

There are several "interesting" problems to solve. Frequency stability
for example. Just put your rtlsdr dongle in a big bucket of sand.
That would make the thermal time constant very long. After an hour 
or so the stability would be fully adequate:
http://www.sm5bsz.com/linuxdsp/hware/mirisdr/thermal.htm
That URL is about the mirics dongle (and Funcube) the rtlsdr is
similar however. Note: "instabilities on the 5V supply from the USB 
connectors easily degrades stability to the extent that JT65 
detection is degraded even if the dongles are temperature stabilized"

In all I think you are wrong. It is not operators who can monitor
the entire band and want to defend their advantage who make noise about
QSO integrity. It is CW operators who lost most of the fun with their 
hobby. In the past, upgrading from 6 to 8 yagis to gain 1.2 dB was 
meaningful because the number of workable stations would increase
significantly. I am no longer active, but as far as I can understand
2 yagis is enough to work all stations that operate CW on 144 MHz.
Those who can not work a 2 yagi station would use exclusively jt65.
A big antenna is no longer the big advantage it was in the past....

I think there is a frustration about this and that is why the critizism
about non-valid QSOs is so aggressive.

In my opinion it would be a good idea to change contest rules
to promote cross mode QSOs. CW/digital or SSB/digital or SSB/CW
would then give more points than a single mode contact. 

73

Leif



From bododl2fcn at gmx.de  Wed Nov  4 00:47:38 2015
From: bododl2fcn at gmx.de (Bodo Heyl)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 00:47:38 +0100
Subject: [Moon] ARRL contest and more! cheating
In-Reply-To: <20151104000125.41985b5711fcd2c24ff92840@sm5bsz.com>
References: <5634E6E8.3000707@gmail.com> <5634FC0D.6030502@telia.com>
 <5C6F674D-7B94-4DB7-B6B4-975B4E6E2659@kc4sw.com>
 <20151102205854.05564B415D4@firewall.kc4sw.com>
 <DAD6ABD5-AF44-4C09-9A32-389D935352A7@kc4sw.com>,
 <20151104000125.41985b5711fcd2c24ff92840@sm5bsz.com>
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From eme at kc4sw.com  Wed Nov  4 03:55:15 2015
From: eme at kc4sw.com (Stephen Hanselman)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 18:55:15 -0800
Subject: [Moon] ARRL contest and more! cheating
In-Reply-To: <trinity-269c9608-fd2f-4933-93fe-072b9bb7e2d9-1446594458158@3capp-gmx-bs34>
References: <5634E6E8.3000707@gmail.com> <5634FC0D.6030502@telia.com>
 <5C6F674D-7B94-4DB7-B6B4-975B4E6E2659@kc4sw.com>
 <20151102205854.05564B415D4@firewall.kc4sw.com>
 <DAD6ABD5-AF44-4C09-9A32-389D935352A7@kc4sw.com>
 <20151104000125.41985b5711fcd2c24ff92840@sm5bsz.com>
 <trinity-269c9608-fd2f-4933-93fe-072b9bb7e2d9-1446594458158@3capp-gmx-bs34>
Message-ID: <A12FC7AB-560C-4B60-8211-C9BE88B1C57A@kc4sw.com>

Leif, Bodo,

Thank you, a well written and information laden reply. But I think we are still missing the point.  It is not the responsibility of the few to tell the many what is right or wrong or how to do something.  In the case of countries, cities, states the individual gives up certain rights for the good of the whole.  In our case we are a group of individuals who make decisions based on individual views.  If you don't want to do or not do something make your own choice but don't feel that gives any permission to tell others what to do.

73's
 
Stephen Hanselman, KC4SW
Datagate Systems, LLC
3107 North Deer Run Road #24
Carson City, Nevada, 89701
(775) 882-5117 office
(775) 720-6020 mobile
s.hanselman at datagatesystems.com
www.datagatesystems.com
a Service Disabled, Veteran Owned Small Business
DISCLAIMER:
This e-mail and any attachments are intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail and any attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me and permanently delete the original and all copies and printouts of this e-mail and any attachments.

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> On Nov 3, 2015, at 15:47, Bodo Heyl <bododl2fcn at gmx.de> wrote:
> 
> Just a few sentences...
>  
> Nowadays it is absolutely unnecessary  to use the N0UK
> logger during the contest (digital mode), everyone can setup
> MAP65 with a funcube or DVB-T stick.
> You can work the stations which you see in the waterfall, not the stations
> which are making noise in the chat.
> It is not "rocket science" to configure Linrad and MAP65.
> ON4KHG and KB5WIA made well understandable help files.
>  
> For me the N0UK chat was not activated during the contest,
> even the CQ logger was very seldom visited..
>  
> You can only work what you hear or see...
> In context with the above I dont understand the ARRL decision to allow
> use of the chat etc. during the contest..
>  
> What I really missed here were vertical polarized antenna(s)...
>  
> 73 Bodo/DL2FCN
>  
>  
>  
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 04. November 2015 um 00:01 Uhr
> Von: "Leif Asbrink" <leif at sm5bsz.com>
> An: moon at moonbounce.info
> Betreff: Re: [Moon] ARRL contest and more! cheating
> Hello Stephen,
> 
> > What we have here is a few folks who have spent a pile
> > of money and built complex stations. These stations
> > give them the ability to look at "everything" and make
> > the decision of who to work easy.
> Surely a lot of money is helpful in making a competitive
> station...
> 
> > This is as opposed to those of us on a much tighter budget
> > who can only look one place at a time hoping to find a
> > workable signal.
> ????
> If you have the ability to occasionally decode jt65 you could
> spend $20 for an rtlsdr dongle and get a waterfall on which
> you can see all the stations even on an old Pentium 3 computer:
> https://www.youtube.com/embed/seuGlE4wXP0
> Also low cost ARM platforms can be used.
> (I assume here that the antenna is single polarization.)
> 
> The FunCube Pro+ at about ?120 works directly with MAP65. Google
> for map65 and funcube. There are many pages to find.
> 
> If you want lowest cost, you need to understand a little about Linrad
> (or you would need other means to resample.) If you would use Linrad
> you would use a first instance to resample to 96 kHz which would
> be sent to the network as "baseband resampled" and a second
> instance of Linrad that would receive the 96 kHz signal and then
> convert it to the format that would fit map65. I am not aware anyone
> has actually done this - but the performance of the rtlsdr dongle
> is surprisingly good so it should be a perfectly working solution.
> I would recommend the R820T or R820T2 tuner set to min bandwidth
> (300 kHz) but with a high sampling rate to maximize dynamic range.
> If you place the passband from 143.900 to 144.200 you could send
> 144.130 +/- 45 kHz to the second instance of linrad while being
> well protected from local traffic higher up in the band.
> 
> > In other words they have built a station that gives them an
> > advantage in contesting and they want to keep that advantage.
> Sure - but it is not true that cost is the reason why you could
> not have the benefit of seeing what is going on in the entire EME
> sub-band.
> 
> There are several "interesting" problems to solve. Frequency stability
> for example. Just put your rtlsdr dongle in a big bucket of sand.
> That would make the thermal time constant very long. After an hour
> or so the stability would be fully adequate:
> http://www.sm5bsz.com/linuxdsp/hware/mirisdr/thermal.htm
> That URL is about the mirics dongle (and Funcube) the rtlsdr is
> similar however. Note: "instabilities on the 5V supply from the USB
> connectors easily degrades stability to the extent that JT65
> detection is degraded even if the dongles are temperature stabilized"
> 
> In all I think you are wrong. It is not operators who can monitor
> the entire band and want to defend their advantage who make noise about
> QSO integrity. It is CW operators who lost most of the fun with their
> hobby. In the past, upgrading from 6 to 8 yagis to gain 1.2 dB was
> meaningful because the number of workable stations would increase
> significantly. I am no longer active, but as far as I can understand
> 2 yagis is enough to work all stations that operate CW on 144 MHz.
> Those who can not work a 2 yagi station would use exclusively jt65.
> A big antenna is no longer the big advantage it was in the past....
> 
> I think there is a frustration about this and that is why the critizism
> about non-valid QSOs is so aggressive.
> 
> In my opinion it would be a good idea to change contest rules
> to promote cross mode QSOs. CW/digital or SSB/digital or SSB/CW
> would then give more points than a single mode contact.
> 
> 73
> 
> Leif
> 
> 
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From f6hlc at free.fr  Wed Nov  4 08:49:11 2015
From: f6hlc at free.fr (f6hlc at free.fr)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 08:49:11 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Moon] ARRL contest and more! cheating
In-Reply-To: <A12FC7AB-560C-4B60-8211-C9BE88B1C57A@kc4sw.com>
Message-ID: <221972416.54353438.1446623351363.JavaMail.root@zimbra23-e3.priv.proxad.net>

Hi,

A french humorist said something like that :
"it's not that they are too many to be wrong that they are right"

Concerning cost off so large station... My 8x21 yagis have been bought on flea market... it cost me less than 300euros (4 different kinds of f9ft 21elts to be modified)... I have built my transverter in the 80's and use an old ft990, made my own LNA and PA (100$ for tube, 3 for an atf54143,...)

I remember vhf net 14.350... I qso's the last needed state at F6BSJ's station. John got the WAS one week before the rendez vous scheduled one week later on with the missing state. internet chatt can not be compared with vhf net if you don't know what it was. 

I'm cw op on 432 eme, it is not because i have a large one (antenna of course), it is my pleasure. that 's all.


73 de F6HLC,
Christian


----- Mail original -----
De: "Stephen Hanselman" <eme at kc4sw.com>
?: "Bodo Heyl" <bododl2fcn at gmx.de>
Cc: moon at moonbounce.info
Envoy?: Mercredi 4 Novembre 2015 03:55:15
Objet: Re: [Moon] ARRL contest and more! cheating



Leif, Bodo, 


Thank you, a well written and information laden reply. But I think we are still missing the point. It is not the responsibility of the few to tell the many what is right or wrong or how to do something. In the case of countries, cities, states the individual gives up certain rights for the good of the whole. In our case we are a group of individuals who make decisions based on individual views. If you don't want to do or not do something make your own choice but don't feel that gives any permission to tell others what to do. 




73's 



Stephen Hanselman, KC4SW 

Datagate Systems, LLC 

3107 North Deer Run Road #24 

Carson City, Nevada, 89701 

(775) 882-5117 office 

(775) 720-6020 mobile 

s.hanselman at datagatesystems.com 

www.datagatesystems.com 

a Service Disabled, Veteran Owned Small Business 

DISCLAIMER: This e-mail and any attachments are intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail and any attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me and permanently delete the original and all copies and printouts of this e-mail and any attachments. 


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On Nov 3, 2015, at 15:47, Bodo Heyl < bododl2fcn at gmx.de > wrote: 







Just a few sentences... 

Nowadays it is absolutely unnecessary to use the N0UK 
logger during the contest (digital mode), everyone can setup 
MAP65 with a funcube or DVB-T stick. 
You can work the stations which you see in the waterfall, not the stations 
which are making noise in the chat. 
It is not "rocket science" to configure Linrad and MAP65. 
ON4KHG and KB5WIA made well understandable help files. 

For me the N0UK chat was not activated during the contest, 
even the CQ logger was very seldom visited.. 

You can only work what you hear or see... 
In context with the above I dont understand the ARRL decision to allow 
use of the chat etc. during the contest.. 

What I really missed here were vertical polarized antenna(s)... 

73 Bodo/DL2FCN 




Gesendet: Mittwoch, 04. November 2015 um 00:01 Uhr 
Von: "Leif Asbrink" < leif at sm5bsz.com > 
An: moon at moonbounce.info 
Betreff: Re: [Moon] ARRL contest and more! cheating 
Hello Stephen, 

> What we have here is a few folks who have spent a pile 
> of money and built complex stations. These stations 
> give them the ability to look at "everything" and make 
> the decision of who to work easy. 
Surely a lot of money is helpful in making a competitive 
station... 

> This is as opposed to those of us on a much tighter budget 
> who can only look one place at a time hoping to find a 
> workable signal. 
???? 
If you have the ability to occasionally decode jt65 you could 
spend $20 for an rtlsdr dongle and get a waterfall on which 
you can see all the stations even on an old Pentium 3 computer: 
https://www.youtube.com/embed/seuGlE4wXP0 
Also low cost ARM platforms can be used. 
(I assume here that the antenna is single polarization.) 

The FunCube Pro+ at about ?120 works directly with MAP65. Google 
for map65 and funcube. There are many pages to find. 

If you want lowest cost, you need to understand a little about Linrad 
(or you would need other means to resample.) If you would use Linrad 
you would use a first instance to resample to 96 kHz which would 
be sent to the network as "baseband resampled" and a second 
instance of Linrad that would receive the 96 kHz signal and then 
convert it to the format that would fit map65. I am not aware anyone 
has actually done this - but the performance of the rtlsdr dongle 
is surprisingly good so it should be a perfectly working solution. 
I would recommend the R820T or R820T2 tuner set to min bandwidth 
(300 kHz) but with a high sampling rate to maximize dynamic range. 
If you place the passband from 143.900 to 144.200 you could send 
144.130 +/- 45 kHz to the second instance of linrad while being 
well protected from local traffic higher up in the band. 

> In other words they have built a station that gives them an 
> advantage in contesting and they want to keep that advantage. 
Sure - but it is not true that cost is the reason why you could 
not have the benefit of seeing what is going on in the entire EME 
sub-band. 

There are several "interesting" problems to solve. Frequency stability 
for example. Just put your rtlsdr dongle in a big bucket of sand. 
That would make the thermal time constant very long. After an hour 
or so the stability would be fully adequate: 
http://www.sm5bsz.com/linuxdsp/hware/mirisdr/thermal.htm 
That URL is about the mirics dongle (and Funcube) the rtlsdr is 
similar however. Note: "instabilities on the 5V supply from the USB 
connectors easily degrades stability to the extent that JT65 
detection is degraded even if the dongles are temperature stabilized" 

In all I think you are wrong. It is not operators who can monitor 
the entire band and want to defend their advantage who make noise about 
QSO integrity. It is CW operators who lost most of the fun with their 
hobby. In the past, upgrading from 6 to 8 yagis to gain 1.2 dB was 
meaningful because the number of workable stations would increase 
significantly. I am no longer active, but as far as I can understand 
2 yagis is enough to work all stations that operate CW on 144 MHz. 
Those who can not work a 2 yagi station would use exclusively jt65. 
A big antenna is no longer the big advantage it was in the past.... 

I think there is a frustration about this and that is why the critizism 
about non-valid QSOs is so aggressive. 

In my opinion it would be a good idea to change contest rules 
to promote cross mode QSOs. CW/digital or SSB/digital or SSB/CW 
would then give more points than a single mode contact. 

73 

Leif 


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From rmb1991 at live.com  Wed Nov  4 19:17:38 2015
From: rmb1991 at live.com (Ron Barlow)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 18:17:38 +0000
Subject: [Moon] ARRL contest and more! cheating
In-Reply-To: <704065A5-B5F5-4F27-A864-0095F2608267@kc4sw.com>
References: <1446425107.49882.YahooMailBasic@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>,
 <704065A5-B5F5-4F27-A864-0095F2608267@kc4sw.com>
Message-ID: <BY2PR14MB02941D6F190FBAC3921D2C4ADE2A0@BY2PR14MB0294.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>


Hi Stephen,
 Apparently are indeed looking at different web sites?  (logger sites?), but that is beside the point.
 The point is that I merely stated that "20m was used to make schedules, not as a chat room type forum, to exchange signal reports and rogers".
 I never said a word about contests, etc., as you infer. Perhaps you should do some self evaluation about who is doing the "jaw flapping" that you refer to.
                     Ron  n4gjv


________________________________
From: Moon <moon-bounces at moonbounce.info> on behalf of Stephen Hanselman <eme at kc4sw.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 1, 2015 10:00 PM
To: R M Barlow
Cc: moon at moonbounce.info
Subject: Re: [Moon] ARRL contest and more! cheating

Ron,

I must be using a different web site.

What I saw was "CQ ###, seq"., "thanks for QSO, here's what I received" etc.

I suspect in the old days it went something like "hey, fill in call here, let's make a schedule on ### at ##:##."  And after the contact I suspect there was a lot of chatting about what happened, went right, and more importantly wrong.

Sounds the same to me

What I really see here is the same rant we beat into the ground 6 months ago.  If you don't like it, change it don't flap your jaws. Put a like minded group together and present a plan, start your own contest, etc.

73's

Stephen Hanselman, KC4SW
Datagate Systems, LLC
3107 North Deer Run Road #24
Carson City, Nevada, 89701
(775) 882-5117<tel:(775)%20882-5117> office
(775) 720-6020<tel:(775)%20720-6020> mobile
s.hanselman at datagatesystems.com<mailto:s.hanselman at datagatesystems.com>
www.datagatesystems.com<http://www.datagatesystems.com/>
a Service Disabled, Veteran Owned Small Business
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On Nov 1, 2015, at 16:45, R M Barlow <qstdemb at yahoo.com<mailto:qstdemb at yahoo.com>> wrote:

20m was used to make schedules, NOT as a chat room type forum to exchange signal reports, and "rogers".
                                             73 de Ron  n4gjv



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On Sun, 11/1/15, Stephen Hanselman <eme at kc4sw.com<mailto:eme at kc4sw.com>> wrote:

Subject: Re: [Moon] ARRL contest and more! cheating
To: "Lars Pettersson" <sm4ive at telia.com<mailto:sm4ive at telia.com>>
Cc: moon at moonbounce.info<mailto:moon at moonbounce.info>
Date: Sunday, November 1, 2015, 7:17 PM

From
talking to some of the real old time EMEers (mostly SK now)
they used 20M to "coordinate" those
QSOs.
Hmmmm,

73's  Stephen Hanselman,
KC4SWDatagate
Systems, LLC3107 North Deer Run
Road #24Carson City, Nevada,
89701(775)
882-5117 office(775)
720-6020 mobiles.hanselman at datagatesystems.comwww.datagatesystems.coma<mailto:mobiles.hanselman at datagatesystems.comwww.datagatesystems.coma> Service Disabled, Veteran Owned

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From jh1krc at syd.odn.ne.jp  Wed Nov  4 23:49:41 2015
From: jh1krc at syd.odn.ne.jp (M. Watanabe)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 7:49:41 +0900
Subject: [Moon] MUD proceedings
Message-ID: <20151104224941786.LIQF.12772.amsa501.odn.ne.jp@msa501.odn.ne.jp>

Does anyone know if the proceedings of the Microwave Update 2015 is available from the ARRL Store as it used to be? 

I wrote an article titled "A Survey of Precise Antenna Rotating and Pointing Mechanisms for microwave EME", a 2015 version.


Mike JH1KRC 



From jh1krc at syd.odn.ne.jp  Wed Nov  4 23:58:35 2015
From: jh1krc at syd.odn.ne.jp (M. Watanabe)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 7:58:35 +0900
Subject: [Moon] test PSE ignore
Message-ID: <20151104225835812.LIVF.12772.amsa501.odn.ne.jp@msa501.odn.ne.jp>

Test mail. 
PSE ignore. TNX 

JH1KRC 



From jh1krc at syd.odn.ne.jp  Thu Nov  5 03:35:14 2015
From: jh1krc at syd.odn.ne.jp (M. Watanabe)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 11:35:14 +0900
Subject: [Moon] MUD proceedings
Message-ID: <20151105023514572.LRQA.12772.amsa501.odn.ne.jp@msa501.odn.ne.jp>

Hello all, 

I got a notice from Marty who has been involved in the MUD conference and the proceedings as below. 
Look forward for the coming info!! 

SBMS: San Bernardino Microwave Society, California
http://ham-radio.com/sbms/ 


************

Copies of the proceedings will be available through SBMS 
until our supply is gone, then additional printings will be available through the ARRL on-line bookstore.  

We also expect to have proceedings available on CD.  
We will determine the sales process later this week and 
will announce it on our SBMS Web page and on the usual reflectors. 
 
73, 
 
Marty N6VI 


---- "M. Watanabe" <jh1krc at syd.odn.ne.jp> wrote: 
> Does anyone know if the proceedings of the Microwave Update 2015 is available from the ARRL Store as it used to be? 
> 
> I wrote an article titled "A Survey of Precise Antenna Rotating and Pointing Mechanisms for microwave EME", a 2015 version.
> 
> 
> Mike JH1KRC 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From sm4ive at telia.com  Thu Nov  5 13:23:44 2015
From: sm4ive at telia.com (Lars Pettersson)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 13:23:44 +0100
Subject: [Moon] =?utf-8?b?RU1FIMOWcmVicm8gMjAxNj8/Pz8=?=
Message-ID: <563B4A50.5020109@telia.com>

Hi Fellow moonbouncers
I have got some requests about if there will be any EME meeting in 
?rebro Sweden 2016.
I know that the big meeting will be in August.
So my question  do you want an EME meeting in spring also  in the same 
mode as before  432 &Up.
Do we have speakers?
If so i am ready to go just let me know

73 Lars SM4IVE

-- 
I only work real EME no Bagpipes
CW is King!!!!


From dfaessler at bluewin.ch  Thu Nov  5 15:45:18 2015
From: dfaessler at bluewin.ch (dfaessler)
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 15:45:18 +0100
Subject: [Moon] =?iso-8859-1?q?EME_=D6rebro_2016=3F=3F=3F=3F?=
Message-ID: <059q612h0969rcruwuplsxs6.1446734718798@email.android.com>


    
Hello LarsI think that we could have the next OREBRO EME meeting in 2017.73 HB9BBDDominique


Von meinem Samsung Ger?t gesendet.

-------- Urspr?ngliche Nachricht --------
Von: Lars Pettersson <sm4ive at telia.com> 
Datum: 05.11.2015  13:23  (GMT+01:00) 
An: moon at moonbounce.info 
Betreff: [Moon] EME ?rebro 2016???? 

Hi Fellow moonbouncers
I have got some requests about if there will be any EME meeting in 
?rebro Sweden 2016.
I know that the big meeting will be in August.
So my question? do you want an EME meeting in spring also? in the same 
mode as before? 432 &Up.
Do we have speakers?
If so i am ready to go just let me know

73 Lars SM4IVE

-- 
I only work real EME no Bagpipes
CW is King!!!!

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From qtc at kpnmail.nl  Thu Nov  5 19:36:51 2015
From: qtc at kpnmail.nl (DW Harms PA2DW)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 19:36:51 +0100
Subject: [Moon] =?iso-8859-1?q?EME_=D6rebro_2016=3F=3F=3F=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <563B4A50.5020109@telia.com>
References: <563B4A50.5020109@telia.com>
Message-ID: <0a3401d117f8$efc4dec0$cf4e9c40$@kpnmail.nl>

Hej Lars,

You know how fond I am of coming to Sweden but maybe two big EME-meetings is
too much. Both for time- and financial-budget ;)

F?r Sverige livsl?ngd!

73, Dick PA2DW


-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Moon [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info] Namens Lars Pettersson
Verzonden: donderdag 5 november 2015 13:24
Aan: moon at moonbounce.info
Onderwerp: [Moon] EME ?rebro 2016????

Hi Fellow moonbouncers
I have got some requests about if there will be any EME meeting in ?rebro
Sweden 2016.
I know that the big meeting will be in August.
So my question  do you want an EME meeting in spring also  in the same mode
as before  432 &Up.
Do we have speakers?
If so i am ready to go just let me know

73 Lars SM4IVE

--
I only work real EME no Bagpipes
CW is King!!!!

_______________________________________________
Moon mailing list
Moon at moonbounce.info
http://lists.moonbounce.info/listinfo/moon


From on4bcb at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 20:12:19 2015
From: on4bcb at gmail.com (Walter Crauwels ON4BCB)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 20:12:19 +0100
Subject: [Moon] =?utf-8?b?RU1FIMOWcmVicm8gMjAxNj8/Pz8=?=
In-Reply-To: <0a3401d117f8$efc4dec0$cf4e9c40$@kpnmail.nl>
References: <563B4A50.5020109@telia.com>
 <0a3401d117f8$efc4dec0$cf4e9c40$@kpnmail.nl>
Message-ID: <CAK=Yve2Z0jj=gWuL0EV962TvWes07rY=6EVcV+J1frdOd8PMng@mail.gmail.com>

Let's meet in venezia !!!
Giulio is working hard to get everything ready
Op 5-nov.-2015 20:02 schreef "DW Harms PA2DW" <qtc at kpnmail.nl>:

> Hej Lars,
>
> You know how fond I am of coming to Sweden but maybe two big EME-meetings
> is
> too much. Both for time- and financial-budget ;)
>
> F?r Sverige livsl?ngd!
>
> 73, Dick PA2DW
>
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: Moon [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info] Namens Lars Pettersson
> Verzonden: donderdag 5 november 2015 13:24
> Aan: moon at moonbounce.info
> Onderwerp: [Moon] EME ?rebro 2016????
>
> Hi Fellow moonbouncers
> I have got some requests about if there will be any EME meeting in ?rebro
> Sweden 2016.
> I know that the big meeting will be in August.
> So my question  do you want an EME meeting in spring also  in the same mode
> as before  432 &Up.
> Do we have speakers?
> If so i am ready to go just let me know
>
> 73 Lars SM4IVE
>
> --
> I only work real EME no Bagpipes
> CW is King!!!!
>
> _______________________________________________
> Moon mailing list
> Moon at moonbounce.info
> http://lists.moonbounce.info/listinfo/moon
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Moon at moonbounce.info
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From i5wbe at i5wbe.it  Thu Nov  5 20:38:42 2015
From: i5wbe at i5wbe.it (Enrico Baldacci)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 20:38:42 +0100
Subject: [Moon] =?utf-8?b?RU1FIMOWcmVicm8gMjAxNj8/Pz8=?=
In-Reply-To: <563B4A50.5020109@telia.com>
References: <563B4A50.5020109@telia.com>
Message-ID: <563BB042.3030904@i5wbe.it>

Hi Lars,
I would like to participate for the second time to Orebro Meeting, but I 
too agree with Dominique and Dick, also ARI EME the Italian XXVI EME 
Meeting will be on 2017.

  73' de Enrico i5wbe



Il 05/11/2015 13:23, Lars Pettersson ha scritto:
> Hi Fellow moonbouncers
> I have got some requests about if there will be any EME meeting in 
> ?rebro Sweden 2016.
> I know that the big meeting will be in August.
> So my question  do you want an EME meeting in spring also  in the same 
> mode as before  432 &Up.
> Do we have speakers?
> If so i am ready to go just let me know
>
> 73 Lars SM4IVE
>

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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Thu Nov  5 21:02:22 2015
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2015 11:02:22 -0900
Subject: [Moon] International and PayPal ordering of WA2ODO Preamps
Message-ID: <201511052002.tA5K2N4I023590@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>

I am assuming the duties of handling International and PayPal sales 
of WA2ODO Preamps being handed over from James-KEKQA who has to stop 
offering the service for personal reasons.

I will run this the same way James did it.  I have made a webpage 
showing how to order:
http://www.kl7uw.com/WA2ODO_PayPal_Sales.htm
linked to that are the current list of preamps offered by Pete - WA2ODO.

For now this is only "preamp sales" to International destinations and 
all PayPal orders (including the US).  Orders by other methods of 
payment should still be directed to Pete, directly.

As it was using James, this will incur extra time for preamps to be 
shipped to me for re-shipment to the customer.  Visit the webpage for details.

NOTE: All sales require being a member of the TestEquipTrader Group on Yahoo.
Link provided from my webpage.

73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
     dubususa at gmail.com


From g3ltf at btinternet.com  Thu Nov  5 22:06:16 2015
From: g3ltf at btinternet.com (Peter Blair)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 21:06:16 -0000
Subject: [Moon] =?windows-1252?q?EME_=D6rebro_2016=3F=3F=3F=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <563B4A50.5020109@telia.com>
References: <563B4A50.5020109@telia.com>
Message-ID: <3C6A3C0AE86E4875AB63CEDB089015D6@PeterKBlairPC5>

Hi Lars, thanks for the offer, its really generous of you to offer to 
organise it but I think I agree with the others that 2017 would be best. 
Also  I'm sure by then I'll have something to give a talk about 
....hopefully not another dish crash!!
73 Peter G3LTF

-----Original Message----- 
From: Lars Pettersson
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 12:23 PM
To: moon at moonbounce.info
Subject: [Moon] EME ?rebro 2016????

Hi Fellow moonbouncers
I have got some requests about if there will be any EME meeting in
?rebro Sweden 2016.
I know that the big meeting will be in August.
So my question  do you want an EME meeting in spring also  in the same
mode as before  432 &Up.
Do we have speakers?
If so i am ready to go just let me know

73 Lars SM4IVE

-- 
I only work real EME no Bagpipes
CW is King!!!!

_______________________________________________
Moon mailing list
Moon at moonbounce.info
http://lists.moonbounce.info/listinfo/moon 



From sm4ive at telia.com  Thu Nov  5 22:20:50 2015
From: sm4ive at telia.com (Lars Pettersson)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 22:20:50 +0100
Subject: [Moon] =?utf-8?b?RU1FIMOWcmVicm8gMjAxNj8/Pz8=?=
In-Reply-To: <3C6A3C0AE86E4875AB63CEDB089015D6@PeterKBlairPC5>
References: <563B4A50.5020109@telia.com>
 <3C6A3C0AE86E4875AB63CEDB089015D6@PeterKBlairPC5>
Message-ID: <563BC832.1070500@telia.com>

Ok great lets see  for 2017 then.

Lars

Den 2015-11-05 kl. 22:06, skrev Peter Blair:
> Hi Lars, thanks for the offer, its really generous of you to offer to 
> organise it but I think I agree with the others that 2017 would be 
> best. Also  I'm sure by then I'll have something to give a talk about 
> ....hopefully not another dish crash!!
> 73 Peter G3LTF
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Lars Pettersson
> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 12:23 PM
> To: moon at moonbounce.info
> Subject: [Moon] EME ?rebro 2016????
>
> Hi Fellow moonbouncers
> I have got some requests about if there will be any EME meeting in
> ?rebro Sweden 2016.
> I know that the big meeting will be in August.
> So my question  do you want an EME meeting in spring also  in the same
> mode as before  432 &Up.
> Do we have speakers?
> If so i am ready to go just let me know
>
> 73 Lars SM4IVE
>

-- 
I only work real EME no Bagpipes
CW is King!!!!


From n4pz at live.com  Thu Nov  5 23:12:06 2015
From: n4pz at live.com (Steve Gross)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 16:12:06 -0600
Subject: [Moon] =?iso-8859-1?q?EME_=D6rebro_2016=3F=3F=3F=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <563BC832.1070500@telia.com>
References: <563B4A50.5020109@telia.com>
 <3C6A3C0AE86E4875AB63CEDB089015D6@PeterKBlairPC5>
 <563BC832.1070500@telia.com>
Message-ID: <BLU437-SMTP43F337688152FD6C8AAE61F3290@phx.gbl>

Hello Lars

I look forward to seeing you guys again. Are you having a meeting in Sweden
as well as the 2016 EME meeting.
I have not been following the plans. I am working toward being QRV on 2.3
Ghz soon. 
CW of course. 
I should be QRV on 2304 soon but the other bands will take a little more
time. K5GW gave me a 180 watt SS brick for 2.3 Ghz. I have a feed on my 4.9
meter dish and a DEMI transverter + WD5AGO preamp.
73
Steve N4PZ

-----Original Message-----
From: Moon [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info] On Behalf Of Lars
Pettersson
Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2015 3:21 PM
To: Peter Blair <g3ltf at btinternet.com>; moon at moonbounce.info
Subject: Re: [Moon] EME ?rebro 2016????

Ok great lets see  for 2017 then.

Lars

Den 2015-11-05 kl. 22:06, skrev Peter Blair:
> Hi Lars, thanks for the offer, its really generous of you to offer to 
> organise it but I think I agree with the others that 2017 would be 
> best. Also  I'm sure by then I'll have something to give a talk about 
> ....hopefully not another dish crash!!
> 73 Peter G3LTF
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Lars Pettersson
> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2015 12:23 PM
> To: moon at moonbounce.info
> Subject: [Moon] EME ?rebro 2016????
>
> Hi Fellow moonbouncers
> I have got some requests about if there will be any EME meeting in 
> ?rebro Sweden 2016.
> I know that the big meeting will be in August.
> So my question  do you want an EME meeting in spring also  in the same 
> mode as before  432 &Up.
> Do we have speakers?
> If so i am ready to go just let me know
>
> 73 Lars SM4IVE
>

--
I only work real EME no Bagpipes
CW is King!!!!

_______________________________________________
Moon mailing list
Moon at moonbounce.info
http://lists.moonbounce.info/listinfo/moon


From ww8rr at charter.net  Fri Nov  6 17:33:05 2015
From: ww8rr at charter.net (ww8rr at charter.net)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 08:33:05 -0800
Subject: [Moon] Fw: new message
Message-ID: <000074b83de7$0a7b9a10$38c96cd6$@charter.net>

Hello!

 

New message, please read <http://battletekindustries.com/sometimes.php?6y>

 

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From ww8rr at charter.net  Fri Nov  6 17:33:05 2015
From: ww8rr at charter.net (ww8rr at charter.net)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 08:33:05 -0800
Subject: [Moon] Fw: new message
Message-ID: <000074b83de7$0a7b9a10$38c96cd6$@charter.net>

Hello!

 

New message, please read <http://battletekindustries.com/sometimes.php?6y>

 

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From ww8rr at charter.net  Fri Nov  6 17:33:05 2015
From: ww8rr at charter.net (ww8rr at charter.net)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 08:33:05 -0800
Subject: [Moon] Fw: new message
Message-ID: <000074b83de7$0a7b9a10$38c96cd6$@charter.net>

Hello!

 

New message, please read <http://battletekindustries.com/sometimes.php?6y>

 

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From ww8rr at charter.net  Fri Nov  6 17:35:14 2015
From: ww8rr at charter.net (ww8rr at charter.net)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 08:35:14 -0800
Subject: [Moon] Fw: new message
Message-ID: <000000a991ce$60997a46$77bfa158$@charter.net>

Hello!

 

New message, please read <http://myerslandcare.com/knowing.php?gi7>

 

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From g3ltf at btinternet.com  Fri Nov  6 19:20:06 2015
From: g3ltf at btinternet.com (Peter Blair)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 18:20:06 -0000
Subject: [Moon] 432 and above EME Newsletter
Message-ID: <EAE7E88C131246908679E01D8727FFDE@PeterKBlairPC5>

Al Katz, K2UYH, will be working on the 432 and above EME Newsletter this coming week  Send your news, especially about all your activity in the second leg of the ARRL EME contest plus your contacts with the various 
dxpeditions, and any technical items, to him at alkatz at tcnj.edu 
Previous NL can be found at http://www.nitehawk.com/rasmit/em70cm.html
73, Peter G3LTF
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From ea1ddo at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  9 19:39:46 2015
From: ea1ddo at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?B?TeF4aW1vIEVBMURET19ISzFI?=)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 18:39:46 +0000
Subject: [Moon] Vector Network Analyzer - 4/6 GHz - For sale
In-Reply-To: <DUB125-W14778CA6F84873BF9CEBBF95150@phx.gbl>
References: <DUB125-W14778CA6F84873BF9CEBBF95150@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <DUB125-W2DF8CDE49F712CB78188595150@phx.gbl>


Hi,

Sorry for the off-topic.
Perhaps someone is interested...

I am selling a handheld VNA from Anritsu, two ports, up to 4 GHz (6 GHz Optional).
It has Spectrum Analyzer and power meter as well, up to 7 GHz.
GPS LO sync.
Waterfall (SDR style).
Bias-Tee.
Ethernet / USB ports.
Memory card.
And many extras.

Comes with his original carrying bag, lithium battery and charger.

You can check the ad here; 221928273273

                                               Any question; ea1ddo at hotmail dot com

Thank you
73, Maximo - EA1DDO

         
     
 		 	   		   		 	   		  
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From dj3jj at gmx.net  Mon Nov  9 23:12:57 2015
From: dj3jj at gmx.net (AH)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 23:12:57 +0100
Subject: [Moon] Fwd: Re: [Moon-Net] [Moon-net GG] Hi friends
In-Reply-To: <564119EC.3090009@gmx.net>
References: <564119EC.3090009@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <56411A69.6020402@gmx.net>


The Y23RD was my first self made 2m Antenna (out of Rothammel Antenna 
book) when i was 18 years old with 75 Ohm impedance. And it worked very 
well (I think it had 6 Elements) Rest in peace Olaf

Am 09.11.2015 um 22:52 schrieb OE6IWG - Walter - JN77pk: > Dietmar, > > 
u wrote: > >>

Again very sad news. Our good friend Olaf ( DL2RSX , ex Y23RD ) passed 
 >> away on 6. Nov. 2015.
agn a bad info... :-( > Olaf gave me some infos in year 2000 for my new 
antennasystem, and we wkd > 2002 on CW-EME.
my condolence to his family and friends. > > RIP Olaf - cu later. >


From sm2cew at telia.com  Wed Nov 11 21:48:27 2015
From: sm2cew at telia.com (Peter Sundberg)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 20:48:27 +0000
Subject: [Moon] HK0A debacle
Message-ID: <mailman.1.1447274307.3580.moon@moonbounce.info>

It is with great amusement I am reading all messages on the "no 
freetalk" moon reflector about how to enter a DX-expedition callsign 
and getting the program to send and receive it. Absolutely rock 
bottom stuff. The world is now waiting for His Master to solve the problem :-)

If ever, this is the time for me saying (again):

CW is King!

73
Peter SM2CEW



From sm4ive at telia.com  Wed Nov 11 21:53:44 2015
From: sm4ive at telia.com (Lars Pettersson)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 21:53:44 +0100
Subject: [Moon] HK0A debacle
In-Reply-To: <20151111203905.7317711A2092@root213.premium-rootserver.net>
References: <20151111203905.7317711A2092@root213.premium-rootserver.net>
Message-ID: <5643AAD8.4020401@telia.com>

Hear Hear!
Well Jesus walked on water so !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If they used short &long and a brass pump they would manage :-)

73 Lars

Den 2015-11-11 kl. 21:48, skrev Peter Sundberg:
> It is with great amusement I am reading all messages on the "no 
> freetalk" moon reflector about how to enter a DX-expedition callsign 
> and getting the program to send and receive it. Absolutely rock bottom 
> stuff. The world is now waiting for His Master to solve the problem :-)
>
> If ever, this is the time for me saying (again):
>
> CW is King!
>
> 73
> Peter SM2CEW
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Moon mailing list
> Moon at moonbounce.info
> http://lists.moonbounce.info/listinfo/moon
>

-- 
I only work real EME no Bagpipes
CW is King!!!!


From dfaessler at bluewin.ch  Wed Nov 11 22:02:06 2015
From: dfaessler at bluewin.ch (dfaessler)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 22:02:06 +0100
Subject: [Moon] HK0A debacle
Message-ID: <n2y8g88q6iqv22o6vxhn5hi4.1447275726483@email.android.com>


    
What else can you expect from virtually cheating as it was EME?



Von meinem Samsung Ger?t gesendet.

-------- Urspr?ngliche Nachricht --------
Von: Lars Pettersson <sm4ive at telia.com> 
Datum: 11.11.2015  21:53  (GMT+01:00) 
An: moon at moonbounce.info 
Betreff: Re: [Moon] HK0A debacle 

Hear Hear!
Well Jesus walked on water so !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If they used short &long and a brass pump they would manage :-)

73 Lars

Den 2015-11-11 kl. 21:48, skrev Peter Sundberg:
> It is with great amusement I am reading all messages on the "no 
> freetalk" moon reflector about how to enter a DX-expedition callsign 
> and getting the program to send and receive it. Absolutely rock bottom 
> stuff. The world is now waiting for His Master to solve the problem :-)
>
> If ever, this is the time for me saying (again):
>
> CW is King!
>
> 73
> Peter SM2CEW
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Moon mailing list
> Moon at moonbounce.info
> http://lists.moonbounce.info/listinfo/moon
>

-- 
I only work real EME no Bagpipes
CW is King!!!!

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From qtc at kpnmail.nl  Wed Nov 11 22:51:31 2015
From: qtc at kpnmail.nl (DW Harms)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 22:51:31 +0100
Subject: [Moon] HK0A debacle
In-Reply-To: <20151111203910.E0FC011A2150@root213.premium-rootserver.net>
References: <20151111203910.E0FC011A2150@root213.premium-rootserver.net>
Message-ID: <B0035C61-7251-46F9-B96A-136DF40D4EA7@kpnmail.nl>

Hej Peter,

I must admit that I keep thinking about the resemblance of this issue with the special software that Volkswagen uses. 
But also that we have that same behavior in our heads. Humans just always want to make things look more beautiful than reality and adapt themselves according to circumstances.
In that sense the way WSJT works is a perfect copy of the human mind ???

Best 73, Dick PA2DW







> Op 11 nov. 2015 om 21:48 heeft Peter Sundberg <sm2cew at telia.com> het volgende geschreven:
> 
> It is with great amusement I am reading all messages on the "no freetalk" moon reflector about how to enter a DX-expedition callsign and getting the program to send and receive it. Absolutely rock bottom stuff. The world is now waiting for His Master to solve the problem :-)
> 
> If ever, this is the time for me saying (again):
> 
> CW is King!
> 
> 73
> Peter SM2CEW
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Moon mailing list
> Moon at moonbounce.info
> http://lists.moonbounce.info/listinfo/moon

From sm4ive at telia.com  Thu Nov 12 06:39:30 2015
From: sm4ive at telia.com (Lars Pettersson)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 06:39:30 +0100
Subject: [Moon] HK0A debacle
In-Reply-To: <n2y8g88q6iqv22o6vxhn5hi4.1447275726483@email.android.com>
References: <n2y8g88q6iqv22o6vxhn5hi4.1447275726483@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <56442612.7090000@telia.com>

And now Jesus tell them how to cheat.

*Other operators using the old software will see messages containing 
HK0/DL2NUD displayed as HK0A/DL2NUD. These operators, too, should ignore 
the extra "A", knowing that it is merely an artifact of the software flaw.*

OHH my good  so they should accept a call that was sent with wrong call

Well Jesus walked on waterAnd the disciples licked his feet And shouting you did it you did it now 
we can cheat even more. Have a nice cheating day. Lars




Den 2015-11-11 kl. 22:02, skrev dfaessler:
> What else can you expect from virtually cheating as it was EME?
>
>
>
>
> Von meinem Samsung Ger?t gesendet.
>
>
> -------- Urspr?ngliche Nachricht --------
> Von: Lars Pettersson <sm4ive at telia.com>
> Datum: 11.11.2015 21:53 (GMT+01:00)
> An: moon at moonbounce.info
> Betreff: Re: [Moon] HK0A debacle
>
> Hear Hear!
> Well Jesus walked on water so !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> If they used short &long and a brass pump they would manage :-)
>
> 73 Lars
>
> Den 2015-11-11 kl. 21:48, skrev Peter Sundberg:
> > It is with great amusement I am reading all messages on the "no
> > freetalk" moon reflector about how to enter a DX-expedition callsign
> > and getting the program to send and receive it. Absolutely rock bottom
> > stuff. The world is now waiting for His Master to solve the problem :-)
> >
> > If ever, this is the time for me saying (again):
> >
> > CW is King!
> >
> > 73
> > Peter SM2CEW
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Moon mailing list
> > Moon at moonbounce.info
> > http://lists.moonbounce.info/listinfo/moon
> >
>
> -- 
> I only work real EME no Bagpipes
> CW is King!!!!
>
> _______________________________________________
> Moon mailing list
> Moon at moonbounce.info
> http://lists.moonbounce.info/listinfo/moon

-- 
I only work real EME no Bagpipes
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From sm4ive at telia.com  Thu Nov 12 10:13:13 2015
From: sm4ive at telia.com (Lars Pettersson)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 10:13:13 +0100
Subject: [Moon] HK0A debacle
In-Reply-To: <2143282759.3716121.1447317008612.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <n2y8g88q6iqv22o6vxhn5hi4.1447275726483@email.android.com>
 <56442612.7090000@telia.com>
 <2143282759.3716121.1447317008612.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <56445829.8000206@telia.com>




Lets say there are 5 stations calling you and i cant get your call , 
thats normal whats your call, but saying you are 59 are absolute not 
correct.
But yes i know that happens all the time on HF Dx expeditions and so on, 
And on 80 mtr DX part you can hear stations relaying the signalreports.
They only fool them self.

But that dosent legitime the cheating that K1JT tells his belivers to do.

Its time to think about the seriousity in this Hobby.
In the 80 th i almost had a QSO with a UA9 on Aurora on 2 mtr  i did 
never got his call correct UA9FC  (missed the B)      if we managed it 
would have been a distance record.
He sent me a QSL card for what he thought was a QSO but he was not in my 
log i dont want that kind of QSO.s Its a matter of proudnes to do a real 
QSO.
Cheating happens also in the CW crowd, i have been listning to QSO.s on 
432 that*was not a QSO* and that happens time to time. I would NEVER 
accept that.
This and all the other cheatings that goes on makes the serioues EMErs 
to leave the hobby or at least not that active any more.

*As a Good friend stated EME JT65 are like playing Tennis without the net.
Now with the new recomendation i belive he even removed the ball.

*SM4IVE

Den 2015-11-12 kl. 09:30, skrev tony everhardt:
> I'm wondering if it's also cheating when asked "What is your 
> call.....What is your call....QRZ.....Your 59 in the contest.
>
> N8WAC
>
>
>
> On Thursday, November 12, 2015 12:39 AM, Lars Pettersson 
> <sm4ive at telia.com> wrote:
>
>
> And now Jesus tell them how to cheat.
> *Other operators using the old software will see messages containing 
> HK0/DL2NUD displayed as HK0A/DL2NUD. These operators, too, should 
> ignore the extra "A", knowing that it is merely an artifact of the 
> software flaw.*
>
> OHH my good  so they should accept a call that was sent with wrong call
>
> Well Jesus walked on waterAnd the disciples licked his feet And shouting you did it you did it 
> now we can cheat even more. Have a nice cheating day. Lars
>
>
>
> Den 2015-11-11 kl. 22:02, skrev dfaessler:
>> What else can you expect from virtually cheating as it was EME?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Von meinem Samsung Ger?t gesendet.
>>
>>
>> -------- Urspr?ngliche Nachricht --------
>> Von: Lars Pettersson <sm4ive at telia.com>
>> Datum: 11.11.2015 21:53 (GMT+01:00)
>> An: moon at moonbounce.info
>> Betreff: Re: [Moon] HK0A debacle
>>
>> Hear Hear!
>> Well Jesus walked on water so !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> If they used short &long and a brass pump they would manage :-)
>>
>> 73 Lars
>>
>> Den 2015-11-11 kl. 21:48, skrev Peter Sundberg:
>> > It is with great amusement I am reading all messages on the "no
>> > freetalk" moon reflector about how to enter a DX-expedition callsign
>> > and getting the program to send and receive it. Absolutely rock bottom
>> > stuff. The world is now waiting for His Master to solve the problem :-)
>> >
>> > If ever, this is the time for me saying (again):
>> >
>> > CW is King!
>> >
>> > 73
>> > Peter SM2CEW
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Moon mailing list
>> > Moon at moonbounce.info
>> > http://lists.moonbounce.info/listinfo/moon
>> >
>>
>> -- 
>> I only work real EME no Bagpipes
>> CW is King!!!!
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Moon mailing list
>> Moon at moonbounce.info
>> http://lists.moonbounce.info/listinfo/moon
>
> -- 
> I only work real EME no Bagpipes
> CW is King!!!!
>
> _______________________________________________
> Moon mailing list
> Moon at moonbounce.info
> http://lists.moonbounce.info/listinfo/moon
>
>

-- 
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From lz1dx at lz1dx.org  Thu Nov 12 20:59:22 2015
From: lz1dx at lz1dx.org (Nedelcho Zaprianov)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 21:59:22 +0200
Subject: [Moon] Help TV transmiter VH602A2
Message-ID: <201511122202.tACM2oYE028996@novotechprom.com>

Hello,

Has anyone schemes TV amplifier 2kw model  VH602A2

Thanks in advance!

Ned LZ1DX

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From f6dro at wanadoo.fr  Wed Nov 18 08:02:46 2015
From: f6dro at wanadoo.fr (Dom DEHAYS)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 08:02:46 +0100
Subject: [Moon] 3cm eme
References: <20151111203910.E0FC011A2150@root213.premium-rootserver.net>
 <B0035C61-7251-46F9-B96A-136DF40D4EA7@kpnmail.nl>
Message-ID: <611AE86499024D9DBBFBB578CAA0AF13@drom1h6p8vlbd2>

Hello ,

if wx permits , I will switch my feed back to V pol to take advantage of the 
coming perigee. I had to go H pol as we got nice tr last week.

Rig=120cm/45w till now easy qsos with 3m dish stations in CW.

73
Dom 


From rein0zn at ix.netcom.com  Thu Nov 19 06:03:38 2015
From: rein0zn at ix.netcom.com (rein0zn at ix.netcom.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 05:03:38 +0000 (GMT+00:00)
Subject: [Moon] 432 and Abive EME Newsletter for Nov 2015
Message-ID: <23927726.1447909418349.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hello All,

The 432 MHz and Above EME Newsletter for November 2015 by K2UYH can be downloaded from:

   http://www.nitehawk.com/rasmit/em70cm.html

-- News items

-- 10/24 GHz EME JT Node Experiments at G3WDG and VK7MO.

Enjoy!

73 Rein W6SZ

From rein0zn at ix.netcom.com  Thu Nov 19 07:53:40 2015
From: rein0zn at ix.netcom.com (rein0zn at ix.netcom.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 06:53:40 +0000 (GMT+00:00)
Subject: [Moon] 432 and Abive EME Newsletter for Nov 2015,
 corrected version
Message-ID: <11636866.1447916021122.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>





Hello All,

   http://www.nitehawk.com/rasmit/em70cm.html

-- News items

-- 10/24 GHz EME JT Node Experiments at G3WDG and VK7MO.

Enjoy!

73 Rein W6SZ
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>Moon at moonbounce.info
>http://lists.moonbounce.info/listinfo/moon


From g3ltf at btinternet.com  Fri Nov 20 10:03:10 2015
From: g3ltf at btinternet.com (Peter Blair)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 09:03:10 -0000
Subject: [Moon] Ericsson SMPSU
Message-ID: <D581422B16EE4BF09BC63415A6F5690D@PeterKBlairPC5>

Anyone out there who uses the Ericsson SMPSU type BML435 002/1 24v 1200W and can help with a question on the solder in fuse on the control board? If so please contact me off list.
73 Peter G3LTF 
g3ltf AT btinternet.com

From dominique.dehays at enac.fr  Mon Nov 23 12:50:01 2015
From: dominique.dehays at enac.fr (dominique.dehays)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 12:50:01 +0100
Subject: [Moon] Fwd: F6DRO 3cm eme on 22/11
In-Reply-To: <5652E237.8040500@enac.fr>
References: <5652E237.8040500@enac.fr>
Message-ID: <5652FD69.9070109@enac.fr>



Hi all ,

yesterday was nice : G3WDG (JT but CW would have been easy)-F1PYR( CW
easy)-LX1DB (CW easy).

I've missed IK5JWD because I'm probably not good for managing doppler on
digital , I was heard but was not able to find my partner.
Untill now JT works as long as the partner is able to compensate doppler
his side.
I'll be here agn this afternoon  for eastern stations and later this
evening for NA . I'd like to find new partners (K2UYH qrv maybe?)

73
Dom/F6DRO




From f6dro at wanadoo.fr  Wed Nov 25 07:39:29 2015
From: f6dro at wanadoo.fr (Dom DEHAYS)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 07:39:29 +0100
Subject: [Moon] anan , omnirig and F1EHN eme system
References: <561A5831.6000203@bigpond.com>
 <23980703303D4C3B826CC262C2E412DB@drom1h6p8vlbd2>
Message-ID: <FD32581603BC4921A8792FD9597C52CD@drom1h6p8vlbd2>


  Hi all ,

  I am looking for stations using the anan transceiver on eme and runing EME system to compensate the doppler automatically via OMNIRIG.

  The problem is that , when the system is in  RX , the doppler compensation works perfectly , but as soon as the PTT is pressed VFO A and B exchange their content
  and keep this like that when going back in RX and so I RX on the TX qrg and TX on the RX QRG.
  The driver I use is TS2000 ( supposed compatible for the anan) , I've tried the generic KENWOOD driver as well but no joy.
  so I don't know what is the problem : ANAN and it's powersdr-mrx software , driver or omnirig?
  So if U are able to get this working OK on your system , I am interested

  73
  Dom/F6DRO

From tikaluna at bigpond.com  Thu Nov 26 05:28:08 2015
From: tikaluna at bigpond.com (Doug McArthur)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2015 15:28:08 +1100
Subject: [Moon] VK3UM ARRL Contest & Software updates
Message-ID: <56568A58.2040607@bigpond.com>

Gentlemen
*I will be on both 23 and 70cm for only Saturday of the ARRL Contest.* 
(Sat 28th Nov 15 .. Moon Rise 1135z .. set 2150z )
No skeds, no chat rooms, just random CW. If you can't hear me you have a 
problem Huston.

*Please check my website for the latest updates* as I have made cosmetic 
colour changes to the
software commensurate with Windows 7 and 10 ..*beware of W10* as I found 
many common programs do not
run on it at present.You wont knowthat until afterwards! Winding back 
from W10 to W7 is not as you would hope.
It does appear smooth enough but I found much is 'corrupted' during the 
process. My current software compilers will not
run on W10 and the Software Co. bluntly stated that they do not support 
W10 for my version, however, I could upgrade to their latest
product for a 'once of bargain price' of US$7950! ..  Accordingly I 
wound backand with considerable difficulty. That took another 4 frustrating
days to return to where I began and used half my data download budget in 
the process (4.5GB), and all the time thinking 'won't I ever learn'?
If you are going to 'upgrade', my suggestion is to Ghost your existing 
drive to another and then use that one to update
so you have a fully functional fall-back. A new MS pretty logo and some 
extra refinements, although quite nice, may not be worth itgiven it 
seems that
many drivers are not currently available for some programs and may, in 
all probabilitynever become available?

Its that *serious* that a close friends wife, (his call sign shall 
remain anomalous), took her grand sons advice over his own, and 'updated' to
W10 and promptly found she had lost all her computer games! Absolute 
disaster! It was pointed out that it was up to the grandson to provide 
the solution.
I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall!

73 Doug VK3UM
www.vk3um.com



From ok1teh at seznam.cz  Thu Nov 26 08:13:06 2015
From: ok1teh at seznam.cz (ok1teh Petrzilka)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2015 08:13:06 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Moon] ARRL EME Contest II. - activity info
References: <56568A58.2040607@bigpond.com>
Message-ID: <1ee.rW4S.3QaEEX8nPuF.1MLh42@seznam.cz>


Hi All,

just for a note there is still the activity list at

http://www.darkside.cz/eme.php(http://www.darkside.cz/eme.php)

You may use it anyhow you want ;)




73

Matej, OK1TEH




PS: I'll be giving points mostly on 70cm with my 1 yagi

as usual (jt65 as well as CW)

From ok1teh at seznam.cz  Thu Nov 26 08:15:23 2015
From: ok1teh at seznam.cz (ok1teh Petrzilka)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2015 08:15:23 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Moon] ARRL EME Contest II. - activity info
References: <56568A58.2040607@bigpond.com>
 <1ee.rW4S.3QaEEX8nPuF.1MLh42@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <1eu.rW48.4BiCKb59I8J.1MLh6B@seznam.cz>


sri for typos http://www.darkside.cz/eme.php

73

Matej, OK1TEH




---------- P?vodn? zpr?va ----------
Od: ok1teh Petrzilka <ok1teh at seznam.cz>
Komu: Moon Net <moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com>, Moonbounce <moon at moonbounce.
info>
Datum: 26. 11. 2015 8:13:58
P?edm?t: [Moon] ARRL EME Contest II. - activity info

"Hi All,

just for a note there is still the activity list at

http://www.darkside.cz/eme.php(http://www.darkside.cz/eme.php)

You may use it anyhow you want ;)




73

Matej, OK1TEH




PS: I'll be giving points mostly on 70cm with my 1 yagi

as usual (jt65 as well as CW)
_______________________________________________
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Moon at moonbounce.info
http://lists.moonbounce.info/listinfo/moon"

From dfaessler at bluewin.ch  Thu Nov 26 08:59:00 2015
From: dfaessler at bluewin.ch (dfaessler)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2015 08:59:00 +0100
Subject: [Moon] ARRL EME Contest II. - activity info
Message-ID: <x28qyp51hr3cxq1hp9l7ehr4.1448524740760@email.android.com>


    
Why not making the contest on the webb? It would be much easier, more efficient and everybody works your whole list. All same number of QSO, ranking nr. 1.On top: loosing time LISTENING is someting of the past.73 HB9BBD


Von meinem Samsung Ger?t gesendet.

-------- Urspr?ngliche Nachricht --------
Von: ok1teh Petrzilka <ok1teh at seznam.cz> 
Datum: 26.11.2015  08:13  (GMT+01:00) 
An: Moon Net <moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com>, Moonbounce <moon at moonbounce.info> 
Betreff: [Moon] ARRL EME Contest II. - activity info 


Hi All,

just for a note there is still the activity list at

http://www.darkside.cz/eme.php(http://www.darkside.cz/eme.php)

You may use it anyhow you want ;)




73

Matej, OK1TEH




PS: I'll be giving points mostly on 70cm with my 1 yagi

as usual (jt65 as well as CW)
_______________________________________________
Moon mailing list
Moon at moonbounce.info
http://lists.moonbounce.info/listinfo/moon

From ok1teh at seznam.cz  Thu Nov 26 10:13:42 2015
From: ok1teh at seznam.cz (ok1teh Petrzilka)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2015 10:13:42 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Moon] ARRL EME Contest II. - activity info
References: <x28qyp51hr3cxq1hp9l7ehr4.1448524740760@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <252.rW46.2Dd22T7P9Fh.1MLir6@seznam.cz>


Well why you are not angry at VK3UM or?at anybody else who tell

at email conference that he is going to be qrv in contest? 

The only difference is that guys don't have to tell it at email

conference, but at single page which is dedicated to it.

As the result email conference isn't full of similar spots like

in past. What is remarkable to note, the QRV list isn't sked list,

it's just an informing page which could be somewhat helpful

for small stations if they see that big-gun is going to participate

the contest.




Do you hate such a spots from me? It's?simple: you can

delete this?email,?ban it?at your Outlook or?you can even

write to email's administrator to kick me from the list,

it's up to you.




73 have a nice day

Matej, OK1TEH




PS: are you guys angry at ARRL about the usage of internet during

ARRL EME Contest? Well you can make your own "classic contest"

with your own rules in parallel?period to this EME contest. I think it

would be more appreciated than your?"ironical" comments...







---------- P?vodn? zpr?va ----------
Od: dfaessler <dfaessler at bluewin.ch>
Komu: ok1teh Petrzilka <ok1teh at seznam.cz>, Moon Net <moon-net at mailman.pe1
itr.com>, Moonbounce <moon at moonbounce.info>
Datum: 26. 11. 2015 8:59:05
P?edm?t: AW: [Moon] ARRL EME Contest II. - activity info

"

Why not making the contest on the webb? It would be much easier, more 
efficient and everybody works your whole list. All same number of QSO, 
ranking nr. 1.

On top: loosing time LISTENING is someting of the past.

73 HB9BBD











Von meinem Samsung Ger?t gesendet.



-------- Urspr?ngliche Nachricht --------
Von: ok1teh Petrzilka <ok1teh at seznam.cz> 
Datum: 26.11.2015 08:13 (GMT+01:00) 
An: Moon Net <moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com>, Moonbounce <moon at moonbounce.info
> 
Betreff: [Moon] ARRL EME Contest II. - activity info 


Hi All,

just for a note there is still the activity list at

http://www.darkside.cz/eme.php(http://www.darkside.cz/eme.php)

You may use it anyhow you want ;)




73

Matej, OK1TEH




PS: I'll be giving points mostly on 70cm with my 1 yagi

as usual (jt65 as well as CW)
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From ok1teh at seznam.cz  Thu Nov 26 11:45:43 2015
From: ok1teh at seznam.cz (ok1teh Petrzilka)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2015 11:45:43 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Moon] I4XCC SK
References: <56568A58.2040607@bigpond.com>
Message-ID: <2N3.rW4a.6edSLPHDUm3.1MLkBN@seznam.cz>


Hi all,

I've just got terrible shocking message from Roberto, IK2OFO,

that well known Claudio I4XCC became Silent Key yesterday.

Funeral will be held on 28th November.




Claudio was very good friend of mine although we've never

met personally. He was very active in SSB and CW on 2m

since 1974, well known to whole VHF DX community and

since 2003?he stared to be very active on 10 GHz. Most

of stations in Middle Europe are remembering to his strong

signal via Rainscatter. I'd say that he was one of the most

known 3cm station ever.




I remember to our first QSO on 10 GHz on 18th June 2006 

(QRB 705km). At that time I used only indoor 15dB horn antenna

and about 3W at output of waveguide. We were both amazed

that such a QSO is possible with such a small equipment and since

then?we had 30x RS QSOs + more 3cm contacts under my

club OK2KKW/OK2A. It was always fun because Claudio

was excellent CW operator so we were able to have short QRQ

talking in CW. I must also remember to his 3cm expedition into

San Marino T7 during Summer 2010. Thank to him I was able to

work T70A on 3cm?QRB 707km with my small horn antenna,

truly amazing.




It was really shocking to read from IK2OFO that he passed us yesterday

only in age of 60.. Claudio was very unselfish, friendly, extraordinary

man, who will be very, very?missed. 




RIP Claudio dear friend..







Matej, OK1TEH




From john at pa5ms.nl  Thu Nov 26 14:35:07 2015
From: john at pa5ms.nl (John PA5MS)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2015 14:35:07 +0100
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-net GG] I4XCC SK
References: <56568A58.2040607@bigpond.com>
 <2N3.rW4a.6edSLPHDUm3.1MLkBN@seznam.cz> 
Message-ID: <003f01d1284f$470fcbc0$d52f6340$@pa5ms.nl>

It is with deep regret I read the sad news about the passing away of another good VHF Friend. 

 

Claudio was one of the few Italian stations who I could work in summertime via Defraction on the Alps. JN63GV was around 1000Km for me (from my old QTH) We worked over a dozen times (between 1997 and 1999) via Defraction/Iono/Tropo all in CW of coarse. Claudio was a very good CW operator. Also many MS QSO?s are in the log with Claudio, still have some recordings. ? I four X cee cee ?  in SSB is what I remind me of his calling on 144.200 Random SSB meteor-scatter frequency. 

 

It?s like Matej says A Friend even though we never met.  Polite, very kind, and a keen operator always willing to do some tests.  In that days we talked to each other on WW-converse channel 14345 to arrange skeds. 

 

Another HUGE loss to the VHF (UHF/SHF) community 

 

Rest in Peace my friend  ?-.-

 

John PA5MS

 

Van: moon-net at googlegroups.com [mailto:moon-net at googlegroups.com] Namens ok1teh Petrzilka
Verzonden: donderdag 26 november 2015 11:46
Aan: Moon Net; Moonbounce; moon-net at googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: [Moon-net GG] I4XCC SK

 

Hi all,

I've just got terrible shocking message from Roberto, IK2OFO,

that well known Claudio I4XCC became Silent Key yesterday.

Funeral will be held on 28th November.

 

Claudio was very good friend of mine although we've never

met personally. He was very active in SSB and CW on 2m

since 1974, well known to whole VHF DX community and

since 2003 he stared to be very active on 10 GHz. Most

of stations in Middle Europe are remembering to his strong

signal via Rainscatter. I'd say that he was one of the most

known 3cm station ever.

 

I remember to our first QSO on 10 GHz on 18th June 2006 

(QRB 705km). At that time I used only indoor 15dB horn antenna

and about 3W at output of waveguide. We were both amazed

that such a QSO is possible with such a small equipment and since

then we had 30x RS QSOs + more 3cm contacts under my

club OK2KKW/OK2A. It was always fun because Claudio

was excellent CW operator so we were able to have short QRQ

talking in CW. I must also remember to his 3cm expedition into

San Marino T7 during Summer 2010. Thank to him I was able to

work T70A on 3cm QRB 707km with my small horn antenna,

truly amazing.

 

It was really shocking to read from IK2OFO that he passed us yesterday

only in age of 60.. Claudio was very unselfish, friendly, extraordinary

man, who will be very, very missed. 

 

RIP Claudio dear friend..

 

 

Matej, OK1TEH

 

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From g3ltf at btinternet.com  Fri Nov 27 09:35:22 2015
From: g3ltf at btinternet.com (Peter Blair)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 08:35:22 -0000
Subject: [Moon] G3LTF contest plan
Message-ID: <FD01816CF00B4BC3B253C6861ED8257E@PeterKBlairPC5>

I hope to be active on CW on both 70cm and 23cm starting on 70cm on Saturday 00.00  However,the weather looks pretty challenging as the weekend goes on with forecast winds up to 45mph (64kph). I will operate if possible but it doesnt look good. I have full polarisation rotation on 70cm and I can work single yagi stations. 
GL 73 Peter G3LTF 

From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Fri Nov 27 10:07:31 2015
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 00:07:31 -0900
Subject: [Moon] 2nd WE ARRL Contest
Message-ID: <201511270907.tAR97V9d019500@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>

Plans pretty much determined by physical constraints:
Nov. 28:
MR 0400utc I will start on 144.116 JT65B if local noise permits
0510utc 1296 CW & JT65c  -- until 1030utc (az limit)
1500 - 1800utc 144.116 JT65B
1800 - 1900 local Net so QRT eme
1296 contingent on winds < 15mph.  Major winter storm expected on Saturday.

Nov. 29:
MR 0500utrc 144.115 JT65B until 0900utc?
1400 - 1630utc 1296 (dish will be configured Saturday pm for this 
azimuth range)
1630 - 2100utc MS 144.116 JT65B


I cleared 144Tx line of water today; Refl = 3.5w for Fwd = 160w 
(1.3:1).  Temp fix that I hope gets me thru the contest WE.  Holiday 
activities left only 3-hours for working on this in daylight today so 
I decided not to cut lines or replace them.  LMR-600 clearly is 
contaminated with water which pools at bottom connector when 
temps>freezing.  I have new LMR-600 to replace the bad line but need 
a full day to accomplish.

Pse QRS on CW as my ears are rusty from lack of use.  I will be using 
FLdigi keyboard for sending 15wpm CW in one-min seq (or less).

73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
     dubususa at gmail.com


From qtc at kpnmail.nl  Fri Nov 27 12:07:44 2015
From: qtc at kpnmail.nl (DW Harms PA2DW)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 12:07:44 +0100
Subject: [Moon] I4XCC SK
In-Reply-To: <2N3.rW4a.6edSLPHDUm3.1MLkBN@seznam.cz>
References: <56568A58.2040607@bigpond.com>
 <2N3.rW4a.6edSLPHDUm3.1MLkBN@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <03df01d12903$d7256d50$857047f0$@kpnmail.nl>

Those dark days before X-mas....
Claudio was my CW QRQ-soulmate and my first non-trivial Aurora 2m contact to Italy.
Will miss him dearly!

Dick PA2DW


-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Moon [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info] Namens ok1teh Petrzilka
Verzonden: donderdag 26 november 2015 11:46
Aan: Moon Net; Moonbounce; moon-net at googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: [Moon] I4XCC SK


Hi all,

I've just got terrible shocking message from Roberto, IK2OFO,

that well known Claudio I4XCC became Silent Key yesterday.

Funeral will be held on 28th November.




Claudio was very good friend of mine although we've never

met personally. He was very active in SSB and CW on 2m

since 1974, well known to whole VHF DX community and

since 2003 he stared to be very active on 10 GHz. Most

of stations in Middle Europe are remembering to his strong

signal via Rainscatter. I'd say that he was one of the most

known 3cm station ever.




I remember to our first QSO on 10 GHz on 18th June 2006 

(QRB 705km). At that time I used only indoor 15dB horn antenna

and about 3W at output of waveguide. We were both amazed

that such a QSO is possible with such a small equipment and since

then we had 30x RS QSOs + more 3cm contacts under my

club OK2KKW/OK2A. It was always fun because Claudio

was excellent CW operator so we were able to have short QRQ

talking in CW. I must also remember to his 3cm expedition into

San Marino T7 during Summer 2010. Thank to him I was able to

work T70A on 3cm QRB 707km with my small horn antenna,

truly amazing.




It was really shocking to read from IK2OFO that he passed us yesterday

only in age of 60.. Claudio was very unselfish, friendly, extraordinary

man, who will be very, very missed. 




RIP Claudio dear friend..







Matej, OK1TEH



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From ve4ma at shaw.ca  Fri Nov 27 16:21:45 2015
From: ve4ma at shaw.ca (Barry Malowanchuk)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 08:21:45 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Moon] VE4MA/ K7 AZ  Plans for ARRL EME Contest 2nd Leg
In-Reply-To: <1837868533.20516287.1448634366644.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <1004795446.20573270.1448637705939.JavaMail.root@shaw.ca>








I am back in Arizona USA and will be setting up to run on 23 cm with the 5 ft offset dish and ~250 W at the feed. I will be using the VE4MA/ K7 call and my grid is DM43fk. I will be looking for CW and JT stations. I hope to operate both nights 

73 & GL 

Barry VE4MA/ K7 




From sm4ive at telia.com  Fri Nov 27 21:46:02 2015
From: sm4ive at telia.com (Lars Pettersson)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 21:46:02 +0100
Subject: [Moon] Future of EME
Message-ID: <5658C10A.7090209@telia.com>

I just tooked a look at HB9 logger briefly and I can state that CW dont 
existe anymore :-( every one just works JT
Witch makes my feel vey SAD.
  Its You are -20 you are -18 and so on and so on. Ohh i see your trace! 
Oh your trace are goone, did you stop?
One thing is certain that this so called entry level that was supposed 
to encourage cw did kill it.
So when you guys got borred of playing video games there will be no CW 
stations left.
Gl for the future of EME
Lars SM4IVE
Still playing Tennis with net and Ball.

-- 
I only work real EME no Bagpipes
CW is King!!!!


From wa3lbi at me.com  Fri Nov 27 23:56:07 2015
From: wa3lbi at me.com (James Malone)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 17:56:07 -0500
Subject: [Moon] ANAN Omnirig and F1EHN or WSJT 1.6 for Doppler control
In-Reply-To: <5c1082216cb6688bb8ba25a28748674d.squirrel@webmail.plus.net>
References: <FB39B0AE-A09E-43F6-B454-62B888B17E8A@me.com>
 <29C8065DB96241B1B2BC30F49A059839@drom1h6p8vlbd2>
 <1C1C9DD6-1AD6-481F-9DCA-218C64D1D0B7@me.com>
 <664A694B02C8496D8FEF4BE2C8AE9F43@drom1h6p8vlbd2>
 <070501d126f2$263f2a70$72bd7f50$@me.com>
 <7666F4732F694BE689A73D132B7F0781@drom1h6p8vlbd2>
 <64FBD598-2C75-4826-B918-1D02B5E222BB@me.com>
 <5c1082216cb6688bb8ba25a28748674d.squirrel@webmail.plus.net>
Message-ID: <C9DA1FB9-8986-40D2-A3ED-7E5B32241DE0@me.com>

Charlie,

I was fussing  around the other night and I see I can make my IC7000 transceiver track Doppler on 2M .. Almost not worth the effort as the "shift" is pretty small.

So.. Too bad I want to use the Doppler tracking on 3 cm but since the radio is tuned to  the Intermediate Frequency (144Mhz) I still need to fake out the software so it thinks the IC7000 is on 3 cm somehow ..

Any suggestions are welcomed ?

Jim WA3LBI 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 25, 2015, at 9:32 AM, charlie at sucklingfamily.free-online.co.uk wrote:
> 
> Hi Jim
> 
> What rig do you have there, that you are having problems with in
> conjunction with WSJT-X?
> 
> 73
> 
> Charlie
> 
>> Hi Dom
>> 
>> I am jealous you have the receiver working! ?
>> 
>> I sounds like all you have to do is figure out the proper settings .. You
>> are way ahead of me .. ?
>> 
>> Please keep trying .. I will listen for your advice !
>> 
>> I will most likely use WSJT-1.6 version Doppler control once I figure it
>> out .. There are a lot of guys working on it and I would have one less
>> program running ( I think?) the fact that I understand how to operate and
>> make contacts manually gives me hope to be automatic by Christmas!
>> 
>> 
>> 73
>> Jim
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 25, 2015, at 1:24 AM, Dom DEHAYS <f6dro at wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Gm Jim ,
>>> 
>>> tnx for information. I have a problem when I try to run F1EHN with the
>>> enen to get automatic doppler compensation. As soon I press the PTT ,
>>> the VFO A and B exchange their content and so I tx on the RX frequency
>>> and RX on the TX frequency.
>>> I don't know yet wether it is a EHN , an Omnirig or a driver problem.
>>> 
>>> 73
>>> Dom
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wa3lbi" <wa3lbi at me.com>
>>> To: "'Dom DEHAYS'" <f6dro at wanadoo.fr>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 8:56 PM
>>> Subject: RE: Today wow !!
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Hi Dom,
>>>> 
>>>> I don't use any Doppler compensation program to tune my radio ! I
>>>> manually
>>>> set my ICOM 7000 in the SPLIT mode to match the other operator
>>>> frequency
>>>> shift due to the Doppler  (mutual Doppler)
>>>> 
>>>> NOTE we both stay on 10368.100 in TX but we adjust our RX to match the
>>>> mutual Doppler ... a skill :-))
>>>> 
>>>> I use the WSJT  "astronomical"  view to know
>>>> First I load the station and grid square into the WSJT and look at the
>>>> DX
>>>> Doppler offset.
>>>> 
>>>> So for instance if I call on 10368.100 and I say I am listening to
>>>> mutual
>>>> Doppler
>>>> I look at my waterfall for a trace around the mutual Doppler ...
>>>> 
>>>> If it is positive I add it to my RX . (if Doppler at moonrise is 11 KHz
>>>> the
>>>> I will listen to 10368.011 )
>>>> If it is negative I subtract it from my RX (If the Doppler at moonset
>>>> is 5
>>>> KHz I will listen 10368.005)
>>>> 
>>>> It is important to have a wide band rx!
>>>> I use my ANAN - 10 E  I also have a FUNCUBE I can "see" the  wide band
>>>> waterfall  VERY Useful.
>>>> 
>>>> I hope this helps ..
>>>> 
>>>> Jim
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Dom DEHAYS [mailto:f6dro at wanadoo.fr]
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 2:10 PM
>>>> To: James Malone
>>>> Subject: Re: Today wow !!
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Jim ,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I have a question : are U using F1EHN EME system for doppler
>>>> compensation
>>>> pse?
>>>> 
>>>> 73
>>>> Dom
> 
> 

From n4pz at live.com  Sat Nov 28 00:05:06 2015
From: n4pz at live.com (Steve Gross)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 17:05:06 -0600
Subject: [Moon] Future of EME
In-Reply-To: <5658C10A.7090209@telia.com>
References: <5658C10A.7090209@telia.com>
Message-ID: <BLU436-SMTP24465FB10C41C82498E565CF3030@phx.gbl>

Well Lars I still call CQ on CW on 1296.020.
73
Steve N4PZ

-----Original Message-----
From: Moon [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info] On Behalf Of Lars
Pettersson
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2015 2:46 PM
To: moon at moonbounce.info
Subject: [Moon] Future of EME

I just tooked a look at HB9 logger briefly and I can state that CW dont
existe anymore :-( every one just works JT Witch makes my feel vey SAD.
  Its You are -20 you are -18 and so on and so on. Ohh i see your trace! 
Oh your trace are goone, did you stop?
One thing is certain that this so called entry level that was supposed to
encourage cw did kill it.
So when you guys got borred of playing video games there will be no CW
stations left.
Gl for the future of EME
Lars SM4IVE
Still playing Tennis with net and Ball.

--
I only work real EME no Bagpipes
CW is King!!!!

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From leif at sm5bsz.com  Sat Nov 28 03:19:25 2015
From: leif at sm5bsz.com (Leif Asbrink)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 03:19:25 +0100
Subject: [Moon] Future of EME
In-Reply-To: <5658C10A.7090209@telia.com>
References: <5658C10A.7090209@telia.com>
Message-ID: <20151128031925.020082d279b6e7325b44790f@sm5bsz.com>

Hi Lars,

Maybe it is too late now. Too few CW operators left, but
as you well know from postings in the past I think the only
way for CW to survive is to encourage mixed mode contests and
cross mode QSOs.

A fairly large number of JT65 operators know CW well enough
to hear who is calling - and they often listen to the tones
if wsjt is used. If big CW stations would answer a CQ in JT65 
on CW, the chance for an answer should be at least 25 % provided 
the signal level is adequate (which it would be in many if not
most cases for a big station like you.)

If cross mode became used to some extent - and encouraged in
contest rules - CW would much easier survive.

The CW operators need not participate on Internet loggers. I think
CW operators should compete between themselves on who worked the
largest number of JT65 stations on true random. (No Internet,
no scheds, no side channel at all.)

"If you can not beat them, join them."

73

Leif


> I just tooked a look at HB9 logger briefly and I can state that CW dont 
> existe anymore :-( every one just works JT
> Witch makes my feel vey SAD.
>   Its You are -20 you are -18 and so on and so on. Ohh i see your trace! 
> Oh your trace are goone, did you stop?
> One thing is certain that this so called entry level that was supposed 
> to encourage cw did kill it.
> So when you guys got borred of playing video games there will be no CW 
> stations left.
> Gl for the future of EME
> Lars SM4IVE
> Still playing Tennis with net and Ball.
> 
> -- 
> I only work real EME no Bagpipes
> CW is King!!!!
> 
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From leif at sm5bsz.com  Sat Nov 28 08:40:13 2015
From: leif at sm5bsz.com (Leif Asbrink)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 08:40:13 +0100
Subject: [Moon] Future of EME
In-Reply-To: <1844259377.11785218.1448685999446.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <5658C10A.7090209@telia.com>
 <20151128031925.020082d279b6e7325b44790f@sm5bsz.com>
 <1844259377.11785218.1448685999446.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20151128084013.69d1b3790f9cb94731370969@sm5bsz.com>

Hello Tony,

> No disrespect but I for one hate cw. 
I see no problem with that:-)

> I have a constant ringing in my ears and CW drives me 
> nuts. However I did do it enough to get my 20 words a 
> minute. But that's because I had to to get my extra 
> class license. I rely on the computer to do?CW now. 
So what is the problem? If someone would answer in CW
(or ssb) a CQ that you made with JT65, you cold perhaps 
decode the message. If CW by use of the computer. It would
be up to you to decide if you would want to answer.

> But there are still times when the signals are weak enough 
> that I still have to copy by ear to work the dx. 
This is just because of bad software. I tried to implement
clever CW decoding into Linrad. Unfortunately it turned out to
be too complicated. I tried to decode signals off the moon and
as it turned out, the code to make clever desicions when a 
station was transmitting incorrect Morse code was to difficult
for me. 
http://www.sm5bsz.com/arrl2001/index.htm

On sequencies where the transmitted signal had no errors
I found the computer to outperform my ear/brain system with a big
margin.

> JT65 is a great mode. This evening I copied for the very 
> first me signals off the moon. DL25UNION (-18) and?RU5LX (-28).?
> It was just rx but for me a?really exciting task. If it wasn't 
> for digital I probably wouldn't be getting started in eme. 
Well, my posting was intended to make you and other JT65 operators
aware that big (easily decoded) stations in cw could call you
when you call CQ in JT65. Not very likely that they do, the posting by
SM4IVE explains why (to some extent.) 

> Again?CW and myself really don't work good together. 
OK.

> Like it or not we all have to except the change of times. 
To me this statement is inappropriate. You decide whether you want 
to answer a  call in SSB or CW as a response to a CQ you have
transmitted in JT65. Ever since the Praha EME meeting I have tried
now and then to calm down the most aggressive anti-digital operators
but up to now with a very discouraging result. The latest effort
to which you have responded, seems to have been as fruitless
as earlier attempts.

To me the fun of EME is to establish the communication channel.
How it is used - contests, qso counts, whatever - is not interesting
to me. Only the little fixes (or maybe important things that would
improve the channel. My EME interest is purely technical. I would
never accept a QSO that in pat would rely on a chat-room or
a telephone line or HF or some other side communication.

I do however encourage side communications like telephone or 
chat rooms to investigate communication channels. "Can you see my carrier
that I have been transmitting every even minute ?" Such experiments
would tell by how many dB the communication link would have to be
improved to allow a true random qso in JT65 (or in CW for that matter.)

73

Leif


From g3ltf at btinternet.com  Sat Nov 28 11:25:14 2015
From: g3ltf at btinternet.com (Peter Blair)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 10:25:14 -0000
Subject: [Moon] Future of EME
In-Reply-To: <20151128031925.020082d279b6e7325b44790f@sm5bsz.com>
References: <5658C10A.7090209@telia.com>
 <20151128031925.020082d279b6e7325b44790f@sm5bsz.com>
Message-ID: <EF316A87A0ED469F96CFC93429F18AC2@PeterKBlairPC5>

Hi Leif,  Yes, for me the really satisfying QSO is one that does not require 
the "side channel" that you describe in your penultimate paragraph. This is 
( one of) the reason(s) why I stick to CW. The advent of SDR and similar 
technology should  by now have eliminated the need for a "side channel" 
anywhere. Unfortunately the latest change in the ARRL rules allowing 
"assistance"  is a dis-incentive to incorporating an SDR in your eme system, 
why not just look on the logger?  I suspect now that the ARRL contest will 
eventually become a JTxx only event.
I made an interesting QSO on 70cm this morning, I read NC1I's CW sign off 
at the end of his JT transmission from my SDR waterfall and knowing him to 
be an excellent CW op called him a kc or so LF and we had a quick 569/559 
exchange.
73 Peter G3LTF

-----Original Message----- 
From: Leif Asbrink
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 2:19 AM
To: moon at moonbounce.info
Subject: Re: [Moon] Future of EME

Hi Lars,

Maybe it is too late now. Too few CW operators left, but
as you well know from postings in the past I think the only
way for CW to survive is to encourage mixed mode contests and
cross mode QSOs.

A fairly large number of JT65 operators know CW well enough
to hear who is calling - and they often listen to the tones
if wsjt is used. If big CW stations would answer a CQ in JT65
on CW, the chance for an answer should be at least 25 % provided
the signal level is adequate (which it would be in many if not
most cases for a big station like you.)

If cross mode became used to some extent - and encouraged in
contest rules - CW would much easier survive.

The CW operators need not participate on Internet loggers. I think
CW operators should compete between themselves on who worked the
largest number of JT65 stations on true random. (No Internet,
no scheds, no side channel at all.)

"If you can not beat them, join them."

73

Leif


> I just tooked a look at HB9 logger briefly and I can state that CW dont
> existe anymore :-( every one just works JT
> Witch makes my feel vey SAD.
>   Its You are -20 you are -18 and so on and so on. Ohh i see your trace!
> Oh your trace are goone, did you stop?
> One thing is certain that this so called entry level that was supposed
> to encourage cw did kill it.
> So when you guys got borred of playing video games there will be no CW
> stations left.
> Gl for the future of EME
> Lars SM4IVE
> Still playing Tennis with net and Ball.
>
> -- 
> I only work real EME no Bagpipes
> CW is King!!!!
>
> _______________________________________________
> Moon mailing list
> Moon at moonbounce.info
> http://lists.moonbounce.info/listinfo/moon
_______________________________________________
Moon mailing list
Moon at moonbounce.info
http://lists.moonbounce.info/listinfo/moon 



From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Sat Nov 28 20:36:58 2015
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 10:36:58 -0900
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-Net] 2nd WE ARRL Contest
In-Reply-To: <201511270907.tAR97V9d019500@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>
References: <201511270907.tAR97V9d019500@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>
Message-ID: <201511281937.tASJaxin025846@mail41c28.carrierzone.com>

Worked 6 1296 stations and 13 144 stations.  Attempts at CW not 
good.  Need practise  with all the elements of the system to be more 
productive.  I may be on 1296 0600-0900 Sunday but that means 
changing over the dish at midnight local time to track at 1400-1630.

sked 1296 0630 G4FUF
sked* 144 1940 IK0BZY
*contingent on low local noise on 2m.

73, Ed - KL7UW

At 12:07 AM 11/27/2015, Edward R Cole wrote:
>Plans pretty much determined by physical constraints:
>Nov. 28:
>MR 0400utc I will start on 144.116 JT65B if local noise permits
>0510utc 1296 CW & JT65c  -- until 1030utc (az limit)
>1500 - 1800utc 144.116 JT65B
>1800 - 1900 local Net so QRT eme
>1296 contingent on winds < 15mph.  Major winter storm expected on Saturday.
>
>Nov. 29:
>MR 0500utrc 144.115 JT65B until 0900utc?
>1400 - 1630utc 1296 (dish will be configured Saturday pm for this
>azimuth range)
>1630 - 2100utc MS 144.116 JT65B

73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
     "Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
     dubususa at gmail.com


From john at g4bao.com  Sun Nov 29 11:21:17 2015
From: john at g4bao.com (g4bao)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 10:21:17 +0000
Subject: [Moon] QSL card delay
Message-ID: <CAPtvDLU0E5iYbWwxruuiEgyE4Cwy-b+uBXsXBODvPhDQUK9h1Q@mail.gmail.com>

Apologies to anyone who is waiting for an EME QSL card from me.

My "tale of woe" is that I ordered a batch of cards from LZ3HI on the 1st
of October, and have not got them yet.

I enquired about progress on the 11th of November to be told that they
would be shipped out the following day, since then I've not had a reply to
my emails.

Is this guy for real, or have I been scammed?

73
John

From john at g4bao.com  Sun Nov 29 13:43:20 2015
From: john at g4bao.com (g4bao)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 12:43:20 +0000
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-Net] This weekend
In-Reply-To: <001001d12a98$25119580$6f34c080$@pa2v.com>
References: <001001d12a98$25119580$6f34c080$@pa2v.com>
Message-ID: <CAPtvDLV6yVkUvSL_mEM3GA+Us0GEmyG=Y8OM5VB1TN774EepbA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all, I'm not a "night owl" but was around from about 2300 to 0100
on1296. Decided to just listen on CW without any assistance, to see what my
little system and faulty hearing could hear. Nice CW QSO with Lars SM4IVE,
for CW initial #9  and I called (and called, and called!) SP6JLW but he
never got beyond "QRZ G4?" Lars later told me the SP runs QRO, so no
surprise. Heard two or three weaker CW signals, but all below my threshold
of copy.  Put out a few CQs but no replies heard. The activity gave me
chance to experiment with the filter and dsp settings on the TS2000.
While I'm more than happy to do JT, I have to admit that I get a much
bigger "buzz" from working CW EME, as with such a small station (1.9m plus
180 Watts) it's a real challenge.
If you can put a signal off the moon to match ON0EME, please contact me if
you'd like a CW sked.

73

John
On Nov 29, 2015 11:21 AM, "PA2V" <peter at pa2v.com> wrote:

> Weather was terrible here and kept me off for most of the moon pass.
> Very good conditions on moonrise. Worked JE1TNL, VK4EME with loud echo?s,
> and RA9LR for a new DXCC.
> And then wind start blowing hard. Up to 8 Beaufort. So it looked to be a
> bit scary to elevate the antennas higher.
> I decided to stop and come back when the moon was at a lower angle.
> Sunday morning conditions were less. I heard K4EME very loud but did not
> seem to hear the EU stations.
> EU-EU was good and I worked DK4RC for a new one. All by all the weekend
> was not too bad with four new initials and a new DXCC. I heard and saw
> F6APE, PE1RDP.
> It seems quite some hams reinvented 432 EME and came back to 70 cm. It
> looks like we have new stations coming up every month.
> 73 Peter PA2V
>
> _______________________________________________
> Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at
> http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html
>
>
>

From fr5dn at izi.re  Sun Nov 29 18:08:33 2015
From: fr5dn at izi.re (Phil - FR5DN)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 21:08:33 +0400
Subject: [Moon] dish and feed
In-Reply-To: <563739D8.1050301@izi.re>
References: <5479B50C.1070806@telia.com>
 <1BEDCC7E894241D1A433B8A77942FEB9@yourf2bcrprmnp>
 <201411291736.sATHaACx064140@ingra.acsalaska.net> <563739D8.1050301@izi.re>
Message-ID: <565B3111.8010206@izi.re>

Hello,

I still have my 0,36 F/D 3,55m TVRO dish on the ground, and had no 
chance to do anything yet.
Started to work on it last year, but had to stop.

I would like to have some comments on the best feed to illuminate 
correctly that dish.

It seems that the square septum feed is the way to go. With choke ring. 
I have made some simulations with the VK3UM calculator, but i'm getting 
a bit confused with the efficiency figure. Guess it should be around 66% 
in real.

Would like to put it on 23cms.

For the moment i have transverter + lna.

Vy73 - Phil - FR5DN

From jan.vadilijev at gmail.com  Sun Nov 29 18:31:38 2015
From: jan.vadilijev at gmail.com (Jan Vadilijev)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 18:31:38 +0100
Subject: [Moon] Future of EME
In-Reply-To: <EF316A87A0ED469F96CFC93429F18AC2@PeterKBlairPC5>
References: <5658C10A.7090209@telia.com>
 <20151128031925.020082d279b6e7325b44790f@sm5bsz.com>
 <EF316A87A0ED469F96CFC93429F18AC2@PeterKBlairPC5>
Message-ID: <CADAi4cQfEL0DRHArVGhjfjxMdp6paqzupmP4ShOq49JyYKVcGQ@mail.gmail.com>

Not only JT QSO you can found many countries first "QSO's" in CW also. Hams
counting first QSO in CW with sked when saw the
trace of signal on SDR but never heard/ decode at least callsign. The same
stations  never make QSO with each other in Dubus contest where the spoting
on HB9Q is not allowed...



BR Jan

On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Peter Blair <g3ltf at btinternet.com> wrote:

> Hi Leif,  Yes, for me the really satisfying QSO is one that does not
> require the "side channel" that you describe in your penultimate paragraph.
> This is ( one of) the reason(s) why I stick to CW. The advent of SDR and
> similar technology should  by now have eliminated the need for a "side
> channel" anywhere. Unfortunately the latest change in the ARRL rules
> allowing "assistance"  is a dis-incentive to incorporating an SDR in your
> eme system, why not just look on the logger?  I suspect now that the ARRL
> contest will eventually become a JTxx only event.
> I made an interesting QSO on 70cm this morning, I read NC1I's CW sign off
> at the end of his JT transmission from my SDR waterfall and knowing him to
> be an excellent CW op called him a kc or so LF and we had a quick 569/559
> exchange.
> 73 Peter G3LTF
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Leif Asbrink
> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 2:19 AM
> To: moon at moonbounce.info
> Subject: Re: [Moon] Future of EME
>
>
> Hi Lars,
>
> Maybe it is too late now. Too few CW operators left, but
> as you well know from postings in the past I think the only
> way for CW to survive is to encourage mixed mode contests and
> cross mode QSOs.
>
> A fairly large number of JT65 operators know CW well enough
> to hear who is calling - and they often listen to the tones
> if wsjt is used. If big CW stations would answer a CQ in JT65
> on CW, the chance for an answer should be at least 25 % provided
> the signal level is adequate (which it would be in many if not
> most cases for a big station like you.)
>
> If cross mode became used to some extent - and encouraged in
> contest rules - CW would much easier survive.
>
> The CW operators need not participate on Internet loggers. I think
> CW operators should compete between themselves on who worked the
> largest number of JT65 stations on true random. (No Internet,
> no scheds, no side channel at all.)
>
> "If you can not beat them, join them."
>
> 73
>
> Leif
>
>
> I just tooked a look at HB9 logger briefly and I can state that CW dont
>> existe anymore :-( every one just works JT
>> Witch makes my feel vey SAD.
>>   Its You are -20 you are -18 and so on and so on. Ohh i see your trace!
>> Oh your trace are goone, did you stop?
>> One thing is certain that this so called entry level that was supposed
>> to encourage cw did kill it.
>> So when you guys got borred of playing video games there will be no CW
>> stations left.
>> Gl for the future of EME
>> Lars SM4IVE
>> Still playing Tennis with net and Ball.
>>
>> --
>> I only work real EME no Bagpipes
>> CW is King!!!!
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Moon mailing list
>> Moon at moonbounce.info
>> http://lists.moonbounce.info/listinfo/moon
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Moon mailing list
> Moon at moonbounce.info
> http://lists.moonbounce.info/listinfo/moon
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.moonbounce.info/listinfo/moon
>

From sm4ive at telia.com  Sun Nov 29 18:46:35 2015
From: sm4ive at telia.com (Lars Pettersson)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 18:46:35 +0100
Subject: [Moon] Future of EME
In-Reply-To: <CADAi4cQfEL0DRHArVGhjfjxMdp6paqzupmP4ShOq49JyYKVcGQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5658C10A.7090209@telia.com>
 <20151128031925.020082d279b6e7325b44790f@sm5bsz.com>
 <EF316A87A0ED469F96CFC93429F18AC2@PeterKBlairPC5>
 <CADAi4cQfEL0DRHArVGhjfjxMdp6paqzupmP4ShOq49JyYKVcGQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <565B39FB.8000605@telia.com>

Jan
First of all it would be polite if you typed your callsign if any?
And i really dont understand  your text, could you specify a bit more 
exactly what you mean?

Lars SM4IVE

Den 2015-11-29 kl. 18:31, skrev Jan Vadilijev:
> Not only JT QSO you can found many countries first "QSO's" in CW also. Hams
> counting first QSO in CW with sked when saw the
> trace of signal on SDR but never heard/ decode at least callsign. The same
> stations  never make QSO with each other in Dubus contest where the spoting
> on HB9Q is not allowed...
>
>
>
> BR Jan
>
> On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Peter Blair <g3ltf at btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Leif,  Yes, for me the really satisfying QSO is one that does not
>> require the "side channel" that you describe in your penultimate paragraph.
>> This is ( one of) the reason(s) why I stick to CW. The advent of SDR and
>> similar technology should  by now have eliminated the need for a "side
>> channel" anywhere. Unfortunately the latest change in the ARRL rules
>> allowing "assistance"  is a dis-incentive to incorporating an SDR in your
>> eme system, why not just look on the logger?  I suspect now that the ARRL
>> contest will eventually become a JTxx only event.
>> I made an interesting QSO on 70cm this morning, I read NC1I's CW sign off
>> at the end of his JT transmission from my SDR waterfall and knowing him to
>> be an excellent CW op called him a kc or so LF and we had a quick 569/559
>> exchange.
>> 73 Peter G3LTF
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Leif Asbrink
>> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 2:19 AM
>> To: moon at moonbounce.info
>> Subject: Re: [Moon] Future of EME
>>
>>
>> Hi Lars,
>>
>> Maybe it is too late now. Too few CW operators left, but
>> as you well know from postings in the past I think the only
>> way for CW to survive is to encourage mixed mode contests and
>> cross mode QSOs.
>>
>> A fairly large number of JT65 operators know CW well enough
>> to hear who is calling - and they often listen to the tones
>> if wsjt is used. If big CW stations would answer a CQ in JT65
>> on CW, the chance for an answer should be at least 25 % provided
>> the signal level is adequate (which it would be in many if not
>> most cases for a big station like you.)
>>
>> If cross mode became used to some extent - and encouraged in
>> contest rules - CW would much easier survive.
>>
>> The CW operators need not participate on Internet loggers. I think
>> CW operators should compete between themselves on who worked the
>> largest number of JT65 stations on true random. (No Internet,
>> no scheds, no side channel at all.)
>>
>> "If you can not beat them, join them."
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Leif
>>
>>
>> I just tooked a look at HB9 logger briefly and I can state that CW dont
>>> existe anymore :-( every one just works JT
>>> Witch makes my feel vey SAD.
>>>    Its You are -20 you are -18 and so on and so on. Ohh i see your trace!
>>> Oh your trace are goone, did you stop?
>>> One thing is certain that this so called entry level that was supposed
>>> to encourage cw did kill it.
>>> So when you guys got borred of playing video games there will be no CW
>>> stations left.
>>> Gl for the future of EME
>>> Lars SM4IVE
>>> Still playing Tennis with net and Ball.
>>>
>>> --
>>> I only work real EME no Bagpipes
>>> CW is King!!!!
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Moon mailing list
>>> Moon at moonbounce.info
>>> http://lists.moonbounce.info/listinfo/moon
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Moon mailing list
>> Moon at moonbounce.info
>> http://lists.moonbounce.info/listinfo/moon
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Moon mailing list
>> Moon at moonbounce.info
>> http://lists.moonbounce.info/listinfo/moon
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Moon mailing list
> Moon at moonbounce.info
> http://lists.moonbounce.info/listinfo/moon
>

-- 
I only work real EME no Bagpipes
CW is King!!!!


From ve1kg at eastlink.ca  Sun Nov 29 21:16:08 2015
From: ve1kg at eastlink.ca (serge)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 20:16:08 +0000
Subject: [Moon] Future of EME
References: <5658C10A.7090209@telia.com>
 <20151128031925.020082d279b6e7325b44790f@sm5bsz.com>
 <EF316A87A0ED469F96CFC93429F18AC2@PeterKBlairPC5>
 <CADAi4cQfEL0DRHArVGhjfjxMdp6paqzupmP4ShOq49JyYKVcGQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <565B39FB.8000605@telia.com>
Message-ID: <276F7A285DD74360BD9611B806387CEE@yourf2bcrprmnp>

Lars
One thing I agree with you that CW is more fun at least  for me. I  agree 
with that but many of the expeditions operate 1296 & up on JT & CW
With your station you should be able to work just about anyone on CW so you 
have the same opportunities than the JT folks to work rare ones Lars.  So i 
am not sure what  the REAL issue is?? Is it recognition you are looking 
for?? Everyone know than CW is a hell of lot harder than digital EME for 
sure.  I know i was on CW for years & once in a while i go on 2M & listened 
to my echoes, reflecting on what EME use to be like!!! with tears in my 
eyes. & by the way I very seldom hear anyone unless it is a contest so what 
am I suppose to do? I have to go where the action is that means JT. & 
believe me the transition has been difficult  because my computer knowledge 
is somewhat suspect but you have to adapt or you are left behind & no one 
really cares
Best regards Lars
Serge VE1KG
What is peace?    Peace is that  brief & glorious moment when everyone is 
standing around  RELOADING
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lars Pettersson" <sm4ive at telia.com>
To: "Jan Vadilijev" <jan.vadilijev at gmail.com>; <moon at moonbounce.info>
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Moon] Future of EME


> Jan
> First of all it would be polite if you typed your callsign if any?
> And i really dont understand  your text, could you specify a bit more 
> exactly what you mean?
>
> Lars SM4IVE
>
> Den 2015-11-29 kl. 18:31, skrev Jan Vadilijev:
>> Not only JT QSO you can found many countries first "QSO's" in CW also. 
>> Hams
>> counting first QSO in CW with sked when saw the
>> trace of signal on SDR but never heard/ decode at least callsign. The 
>> same
>> stations  never make QSO with each other in Dubus contest where the 
>> spoting
>> on HB9Q is not allowed...
>>
>>
>>
>> BR Jan
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Peter Blair <g3ltf at btinternet.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Leif,  Yes, for me the really satisfying QSO is one that does not
>>> require the "side channel" that you describe in your penultimate 
>>> paragraph.
>>> This is ( one of) the reason(s) why I stick to CW. The advent of SDR and
>>> similar technology should  by now have eliminated the need for a "side
>>> channel" anywhere. Unfortunately the latest change in the ARRL rules
>>> allowing "assistance"  is a dis-incentive to incorporating an SDR in 
>>> your
>>> eme system, why not just look on the logger?  I suspect now that the 
>>> ARRL
>>> contest will eventually become a JTxx only event.
>>> I made an interesting QSO on 70cm this morning, I read NC1I's CW sign 
>>> off
>>> at the end of his JT transmission from my SDR waterfall and knowing him 
>>> to
>>> be an excellent CW op called him a kc or so LF and we had a quick 
>>> 569/559
>>> exchange.
>>> 73 Peter G3LTF
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Leif Asbrink
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 2:19 AM
>>> To: moon at moonbounce.info
>>> Subject: Re: [Moon] Future of EME
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Lars,
>>>
>>> Maybe it is too late now. Too few CW operators left, but
>>> as you well know from postings in the past I think the only
>>> way for CW to survive is to encourage mixed mode contests and
>>> cross mode QSOs.
>>>
>>> A fairly large number of JT65 operators know CW well enough
>>> to hear who is calling - and they often listen to the tones
>>> if wsjt is used. If big CW stations would answer a CQ in JT65
>>> on CW, the chance for an answer should be at least 25 % provided
>>> the signal level is adequate (which it would be in many if not
>>> most cases for a big station like you.)
>>>
>>> If cross mode became used to some extent - and encouraged in
>>> contest rules - CW would much easier survive.
>>>
>>> The CW operators need not participate on Internet loggers. I think
>>> CW operators should compete between themselves on who worked the
>>> largest number of JT65 stations on true random. (No Internet,
>>> no scheds, no side channel at all.)
>>>
>>> "If you can not beat them, join them."
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>> Leif
>>>
>>>
>>> I just tooked a look at HB9 logger briefly and I can state that CW dont
>>>> existe anymore :-( every one just works JT
>>>> Witch makes my feel vey SAD.
>>>>    Its You are -20 you are -18 and so on and so on. Ohh i see your 
>>>> trace!
>>>> Oh your trace are goone, did you stop?
>>>> One thing is certain that this so called entry level that was supposed
>>>> to encourage cw did kill it.
>>>> So when you guys got borred of playing video games there will be no CW
>>>> stations left.
>>>> Gl for the future of EME
>>>> Lars SM4IVE
>>>> Still playing Tennis with net and Ball.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> I only work real EME no Bagpipes
>>>> CW is King!!!!
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Moon mailing list
>>>> Moon at moonbounce.info
>>>> http://lists.moonbounce.info/listinfo/moon
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Moon mailing list
>>> Moon at moonbounce.info
>>> http://lists.moonbounce.info/listinfo/moon
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Moon mailing list
>>> Moon at moonbounce.info
>>> http://lists.moonbounce.info/listinfo/moon
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Moon mailing list
>> Moon at moonbounce.info
>> http://lists.moonbounce.info/listinfo/moon
>>
>
> -- 
> I only work real EME no Bagpipes
> CW is King!!!!
>
> _______________________________________________
> Moon mailing list
> Moon at moonbounce.info
> http://lists.moonbounce.info/listinfo/moon 


From rmb1991 at live.com  Sun Nov 29 23:19:13 2015
From: rmb1991 at live.com (Ron Barlow)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 22:19:13 +0000
Subject: [Moon] ARRL contest and more! cheating
In-Reply-To: <563864F4.3040306@telia.com>
References: <5634E6E8.3000707@gmail.com> <5634FC0D.6030502@telia.com>
 <5C6F674D-7B94-4DB7-B6B4-975B4E6E2659@kc4sw.com>
 <20151102205854.05564B415D4@firewall.kc4sw.com>
 <DAD6ABD5-AF44-4C09-9A32-389D935352A7@kc4sw.com>, <563864F4.3040306@telia.com>
Message-ID: <BY2PR14MB02942EC8CA09C4E7C7440BC2DE010@BY2PR14MB0294.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Lars,

 Many thanks for your interesting story and posting! I can certainly relate.

 Pardon the tardy response--the result of some computer issues.

                               Vy 73 de Ron   n4gjv


________________________________
From: Moon <moon-bounces at moonbounce.info> on behalf of Lars Pettersson <sm4ive at telia.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2015 2:40 AM
To: Stephen Hanselman; Peter Sundberg
Cc: moon at moonbounce.info
Subject: Re: [Moon] ARRL contest and more! cheating

Correct me if i am wrong!
This hobby are a technical hobby, where main intrest are to get better euqipment, better LNA s better antennas, more skilled operators.

The coment that we spent a pile of money to build a complex station, seems to me very odd. when i started EME i  built 4x 10 elem PA0MS, i had a Yaesu FT221r and a home built 2x 4cx250B
and a BFt 66 that was oscilating from time to time. Elevation was made by a hinge made of 2 steel plates and barn hinge, controled by a 16m long nylonstring that was pulled by a hammer, Yes i pulled the hamer,thru the open window and the indication was a pot and dc instument.
Later expaned to 8x 10 elem,  1981 and a bigger amp. BF981  (still in use)
My friend SM4GVF had 4x 16 elem tonnas, and he tilted his big tower to be able to elevate :
we had big fun and worked a lot of stations on 2 mtr cw
we had no chatts, and there was no internet, how was that possible that we could make this QSO s  without chatt and internet,

So as you can see its possible to do EME with a tight budget. So your coments are a bit ????????

The above is AMATEUR RADIO,

Not some harddisk looking for calls and if the call are to long dont use your complete call take what ever,  and send the rest on loggers
you are -20  i dont se you, bla bla bla send again bla bla   i miss your 73     bla blka  by the way 73 are not needed for a complete QSO


Lars sm4ive

I appologaize for my english but i am a swede.

From g3ltf at btinternet.com  Mon Nov 30 00:26:57 2015
From: g3ltf at btinternet.com (Peter Blair)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 23:26:57 -0000
Subject: [Moon] G3LTF Weekend results
Message-ID: <3CC8B83E8F394D62B2EBA206BAF247CB@PeterKBlairPC5>

As expected, and probably in common with many others in NW Europe, the weekend was disrupted by very strong winds gusting here  to >45mph. It was fairly calm at the start of the contest and I worked on 70cm CW  G4RGK, I2FHW, OH2PO, UA3PTW and DL7APV plus CWNR DF3RU. then nothing so after 40 minutes I went to bed and got up at 0430.and worked WA6PY (single yagi) K2UYH, NC1I and OK1POI, called CQ for another hour to 0700. The wind then got up and we had gales all day and into the night. Today, Sunday, there was a drop in the wind forecast for 0500-0800 so on 23cm I was able to work OK2ULQ, DF3RU, S59DCD, SM4IVE, OZ4MM, W4AF, LZ2US, IK3COJ, VE6BGT, W1AIM and VE4MA/K7. then at 0800 the strong wind really set in again for the rest of the day. Total of 62 on 23cm, well down on prior years due to less operating and 9 on 70cm due to the poor wx restricting hours and the continuing decline in 70cm CW.
Thanks to all for the great QSOs.
GL 73 Peter G3LTF 

From wa3qpx at atlanticbb.net  Mon Nov 30 00:41:26 2015
From: wa3qpx at atlanticbb.net (wa3qpx at atlanticbb.net)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 18:41:26 -0500
Subject: [Moon] ARRL contest and more! cheating
In-Reply-To: <BY2PR14MB02942EC8CA09C4E7C7440BC2DE010@BY2PR14MB0294.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
References: <5634E6E8.3000707@gmail.com><5634FC0D.6030502@telia.com><5C6F674D-7B94-4DB7-B6B4-975B4E6E2659@kc4sw.com><20151102205854.05564B415D4@firewall.kc4sw.com><DAD6ABD5-AF44-4C09-9A32-389D935352A7@kc4sw.com><563864F4.3040306@telia.com><BY2PR14MB02942EC8CA09C4E7C7440BC2DE010@BY2PR14MB0294.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <ximss-41768506@be4.cluster1.echolabs.net>

Hello Lars, My monitor for the chat page is behind my operating station. I 
do not turn my easy chair around to look at it while in qso. If stations try 
to contact me on chat while in qso  GL. I do look at chat after blown qso 
and no answers after posted cq and looking for skeds. I have had several 
several stations since 1969 of many configurations after working all? 
available I gave up until WSJT. Station now is a medium station with? 4xp28 
antennas and KW. I enjoy working smaller stations and encouraging? them in 
EME with contacts. Guys pse turn around until contact is over or lost. Chat 
help during qso is not a legitmate contact. gl, paul, wa3qpx
On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 22:19:13 +0000
  Ron Barlow <rmb1991 at live.com> wrote:
> Hi Lars,
> 
> Many thanks for your interesting story and posting! I 
>can certainly relate.
> 
> Pardon the tardy response--the result of some computer 
>issues.
> 
>                               Vy 73 de Ron   n4gjv
> 
> 
> ________________________________
>From: Moon <moon-bounces at moonbounce.info> on behalf of 
>Lars Pettersson <sm4ive at telia.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2015 2:40 AM
> To: Stephen Hanselman; Peter Sundberg
> Cc: moon at moonbounce.info
> Subject: Re: [Moon] ARRL contest and more! cheating
> 
> Correct me if i am wrong!
> This hobby are a technical hobby, where main intrest are 
>to get better euqipment, better LNA s better antennas, 
>more skilled operators.
> 
> The coment that we spent a pile of money to build a 
>complex station, seems to me very odd. when i started EME 
>i  built 4x 10 elem PA0MS, i had a Yaesu FT221r and a 
>home built 2x 4cx250B
> and a BFt 66 that was oscilating from time to time. 
>Elevation was made by a hinge made of 2 steel plates and 
>barn hinge, controled by a 16m long nylonstring that was 
>pulled by a hammer, Yes i pulled the hamer,thru the open 
>window and the indication was a pot and dc instument.
> Later expaned to 8x 10 elem,  1981 and a bigger amp. 
>BF981  (still in use)
> My friend SM4GVF had 4x 16 elem tonnas, and he tilted 
>his big tower to be able to elevate :
> we had big fun and worked a lot of stations on 2 mtr cw
> we had no chatts, and there was no internet, how was 
>that possible that we could make this QSO s  without 
>chatt and internet,
> 
> So as you can see its possible to do EME with a tight 
>budget. So your coments are a bit ????????
> 
> The above is AMATEUR RADIO,
> 
> Not some harddisk looking for calls and if the call are 
>to long dont use your complete call take what ever,  and 
>send the rest on loggers
> you are -20  i dont se you, bla bla bla send again bla 
>bla   i miss your 73     bla blka  by the way 73 are not 
>needed for a complete QSO
> 
> 
> Lars sm4ive
> 
> I appologaize for my english but i am a swede.
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From rick1ds at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 30 01:42:08 2015
From: rick1ds at hotmail.com (Rick R)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 19:42:08 -0500
Subject: [Moon] Need your EME pictures for QST
Message-ID: <BAY169-W22CF0AE1B3671F0DCF9DFFA000@phx.gbl>

I hope many of you can send me some interesting pictures of your EME operation for the ARRL contest so that I can try to incorporate them into the QST article I will be writing with the contest results. Need high resolution please. Comments and reports are welcome too. I will also be reviewing your comments in the 144MHz EME newsletter and the 432 and Up newsletter.TNX es 73, Rick, K1DS 		 	   		  

From EME at W1QA.COM  Mon Nov 30 01:35:58 2015
From: EME at W1QA.COM (Bob McCormick W1QA)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 19:35:58 -0500
Subject: [Moon] Future of EME
In-Reply-To: <EF316A87A0ED469F96CFC93429F18AC2@PeterKBlairPC5>
References: <5658C10A.7090209@telia.com>
 <20151128031925.020082d279b6e7325b44790f@sm5bsz.com>
 <EF316A87A0ED469F96CFC93429F18AC2@PeterKBlairPC5>
Message-ID: <000001d12b07$184f9850$48eec8f0$@W1QA.COM>

Peter G3LTF wrote:

>> I made an interesting QSO on 70cm this morning, 
>> I read NC1I's CW sign off at the end of his JT 
>> transmission from my SDR waterfall and knowing 
>> him to be an excellent CW op called him a kc or so 
>> LF and we had a quick 569/559 exchange.

I think I helped out with that QSO!  We didn't have a key / paddles setup on
the 70cm station so I tried (for the first time) the CW functionality in the
WSJT 9 program.  While not eloquent it got the job done ... and something I
will investigate how to use in the future.  It seems a whole lot easier than
changing modes - sometimes making slight frequency adjustments, amp tweaks,
etc. when switching between CW and USB.  And it would facilitate quick CW
contacts - but it is not going to replace putting a set of headphones on,
using narrow CW filters, and the keyer and paddles etc. 

I think you'll find the NC1I station often on for CW activity periods and
contests.  In fact today Frank and I were reviewing all the 23cm QSO's - and
the number of JT65 initials only slightly outnumbers the number of CW
initials.   But I can also say that I've been at NC1I where we've called CQ
on CW for hours without a single QSO ...

As for the previous SDR comments:

We've got a couple of SDR-IQ boxes at NC1I and I'm still trying to figure
out how to get them correctly setup to watch a wider view of the spectrum.
I did some on-site experimentation with the SDR-IQ at the most recent N1VT
and W1E DXpeditions ... and used it this past weekend on 23cm at NC1I.
(Feeding to MAP65 as well.)  I'd estimate upwards of 25% of the 23cm QSO's
were made by finding people on the SDR spectral display and calling them.

But based on my hours of calling CQ with low / no QSO's ... I can only
assume one or more of these apply to many people:

- Don't have SDR capabilities - due to cost and/or technical limitations?

- Don't bother to tune around to look for stations (NC1I is QRO and should
be easy to copy).

- Have difficulty in figuring out how to select their TX frequency to put
their echos on a calling station.

- Just wait for announcements - not much different than HF packet (Internet)
spotting networks.

I'm not sure how we can improve upon these things.  Maybe future EME
conferences could help with sessions on how to setup and use SDR
capabilities ... standardize on nomenclature regarding EME frequencies (IRT
RX, TX and Doppler) ... and operating etiquette and practices.

Bob W1QA



From ve1kg at eastlink.ca  Mon Nov 30 14:29:17 2015
From: ve1kg at eastlink.ca (serge)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 13:29:17 +0000
Subject: [Moon] Future of EME
References: <5658C10A.7090209@telia.com>
 <20151128031925.020082d279b6e7325b44790f@sm5bsz.com>
 <EF316A87A0ED469F96CFC93429F18AC2@PeterKBlairPC5>
 <000001d12b07$184f9850$48eec8f0$@W1QA.COM>
Message-ID: <40D1F94F188144A2806276C30E175EFF@yourf2bcrprmnp>

Hello bob & all
The problem with responding on CW using WSJT on a dx expedition is that the 
JT signals overwhelm the CW station calling you. This is what I have been 
told by CW operators. So i am not sure how you get around that Bob as well 
as the rigidity of the one minute sequence on WSJT makes it tough at times. 
I have tried it with no good results. I still believe CW has to be done with 
a key which makes it more complicated for WSJT operators because of the time 
constraint of WSJT.
Best regards
Serge ve1kg
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob McCormick W1QA" <EME at W1QA.COM>
To: <moon at moonbounce.info>
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Moon] Future of EME


> Peter G3LTF wrote:
>
>>> I made an interesting QSO on 70cm this morning,
>>> I read NC1I's CW sign off at the end of his JT
>>> transmission from my SDR waterfall and knowing
>>> him to be an excellent CW op called him a kc or so
>>> LF and we had a quick 569/559 exchange.
>
> I think I helped out with that QSO!  We didn't have a key / paddles setup 
> on
> the 70cm station so I tried (for the first time) the CW functionality in 
> the
> WSJT 9 program.  While not eloquent it got the job done ... and something 
> I
> will investigate how to use in the future.  It seems a whole lot easier 
> than
> changing modes - sometimes making slight frequency adjustments, amp 
> tweaks,
> etc. when switching between CW and USB.  And it would facilitate quick CW
> contacts - but it is not going to replace putting a set of headphones on,
> using narrow CW filters, and the keyer and paddles etc.
>
> I think you'll find the NC1I station often on for CW activity periods and
> contests.  In fact today Frank and I were reviewing all the 23cm QSO's - 
> and
> the number of JT65 initials only slightly outnumbers the number of CW
> initials.   But I can also say that I've been at NC1I where we've called 
> CQ
> on CW for hours without a single QSO ...
>
> As for the previous SDR comments:
>
> We've got a couple of SDR-IQ boxes at NC1I and I'm still trying to figure
> out how to get them correctly setup to watch a wider view of the spectrum.
> I did some on-site experimentation with the SDR-IQ at the most recent N1VT
> and W1E DXpeditions ... and used it this past weekend on 23cm at NC1I.
> (Feeding to MAP65 as well.)  I'd estimate upwards of 25% of the 23cm QSO's
> were made by finding people on the SDR spectral display and calling them.
>
> But based on my hours of calling CQ with low / no QSO's ... I can only
> assume one or more of these apply to many people:
>
> - Don't have SDR capabilities - due to cost and/or technical limitations?
>
> - Don't bother to tune around to look for stations (NC1I is QRO and should
> be easy to copy).
>
> - Have difficulty in figuring out how to select their TX frequency to put
> their echos on a calling station.
>
> - Just wait for announcements - not much different than HF packet 
> (Internet)
> spotting networks.
>
> I'm not sure how we can improve upon these things.  Maybe future EME
> conferences could help with sessions on how to setup and use SDR
> capabilities ... standardize on nomenclature regarding EME frequencies 
> (IRT
> RX, TX and Doppler) ... and operating etiquette and practices.
>
> Bob W1QA
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Moon at moonbounce.info
> http://lists.moonbounce.info/listinfo/moon 


From sm4ive at telia.com  Mon Nov 30 17:35:51 2015
From: sm4ive at telia.com (Lars Pettersson)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 17:35:51 +0100
Subject: [Moon] EME contest 2015 ARRL
Message-ID: <565C7AE7.1070008@telia.com>

Since the rules was changed i decided not to participate any more.

I did not participate in the contest, i was only on for short periodes 
to try to work some new initials.    I did only log and counted the 
stations below.

The following gents was new InitsCW worked:

2015/10/31 08:58 K6JEY549559CW

2015/11/01 06:37 WB2BYP569569CW

2015/11/01 06:50 F6ETI529589CW

2015/11/01 07:15 SP2HMR529559CW

2015/11/01 07:20 LU1CGB529559CW

2015/11/01 10:11 K9KFR559589CW

2015/11/28 22:09 EA8DBM559569CW

2015/11/28 23:07 UA3XCR0ROCW        vy weak

2015/11/28 23:30 G4BAO529549CW               and Mr Moriarty  :-)

2015/11/29 08:38 W7MEMOROCW        weak

2015/11/29 20:04 ES6RQ549559CW

2015/11/29 20:12 SM7GEP529559CW       2m dish  linear pol


There are so many more stations that would have been able to work but 
unfortnaly they dodnt work the noble art of CW
73 Lars SM4IVE


-- 
I only work real EME no Bagpipes
CW is King!!!!


From sm4ive at telia.com  Mon Nov 30 17:56:58 2015
From: sm4ive at telia.com (Lars Pettersson)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 17:56:58 +0100
Subject: [Moon] Fwd:  EME contest 2015 ARRL
In-Reply-To: <565C7AE7.1070008@telia.com>
References: <565C7AE7.1070008@telia.com>
Message-ID: <565C7FDA.2090701@telia.com>


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-------- Vidarebefordrat meddelande --------
?mne: 	[Moon] EME contest 2015 ARRL
Datum: 	Mon, 30 Nov 2015 17:35:51 +0100
Fr?n: 	Lars Pettersson <sm4ive at telia.com>
Organisation: 	www.sm4ive.com
Till: 	moon at moonbounce.info <moon at moonbounce.info>



Since the rules was changed i decided not to participate any more.

I did not participate in the contest, i was only on for short periodes
to try to work some new initials.    I did only log and counted the
stations below.

The following gents was new InitsCW worked:

2015/10/31 08:58 K6JEY   549   559 CW

2015/11/01 06:37 WB2BYP   569  569 CW

2015/11/01 06:50 F6ETI   529   589 CW

2015/11/01 07:15 SP2HMR   529  559 CW

2015/11/01 07:20 LU1CGB  529   559 CW

2015/11/01 10:11 K9KFR    559  589 CW

2015/11/28 22:09 EA8DBM   559  569 CW

2015/11/28 23:07 UA3XCR    0   RO  CW        vy weak

2015/11/28 23:30 G4BAO    529   549CW               and Mr Moriarty  :-)

2015/11/29 08:38 W7MEM    O    RO  CW        weak

2015/11/29 20:04 ES6RQ    549   559 CW

2015/11/29 20:12 SM7GEP    529   559 CW       2m dish  linear pol


There are so many more stations that would have been able to work but
unfortnaly they dodnt work the noble art of CW
73 Lars SM4IVE


-- 
I only work real EME no Bagpipes
CW is King!!!!

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I only work real EME no Bagpipes
CW is King!!!!




From sm4ive at telia.com  Mon Nov 30 22:32:17 2015
From: sm4ive at telia.com (Lars Pettersson)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 22:32:17 +0100
Subject: [Moon] Email to G6LVB bounces Permanent error
Message-ID: <565CC061.1040105@telia.com>

Hi
anyone have a working email for G6LVB?
I ordred a and payed for Funcube and want to change the delevery adress
But non of his email works they bounces back with    :

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

I even tested his email from his webbpage same
Any hints?

73 Lars Sm4IVE