[Moon] ARRL contest and more! cheating

[Peter Blair]

Folks, I must confess to some “20m liason”.....sometime in 1968 Dick Turrin W2IMU arranged for a phone patch  from the Crawford Hill 60ft dish site to a station on the coast at Atlantic Highlands NJ (WB2NDH I think) and relayed my 1296MHz signal back to me in the UK. That was pretty fantastic to hear your own CW coming back from a big dish... but of course trying to send with a 2.5 sec delayed sidetone soon makes your CW unreadable.
The other thing to remember about the very early days of 23cm is that it wasn’t always about making formal contacts, although of course we did make those, but as much about things like testing CP vs linear, testing different feeds,  and testing preamps with a (reasonably) dependable signal off the moon a few times a year..... and they were 12-15dB stronger than anyone else, i.e they were audible! When the Crawford Hill dish closed down in 1972 23cm went quiet for several years. A lot of the material in the earlier W2IMU notes was a result of these tests. ( see my EME2012 paper for more details) 
73 Peter G3LTF 

From: craig 
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 3:54 PM
To: Stephen Hanselman ; R M Barlow 
Cc: moon at moonbounce.info 
Subject: Re: [Moon] ARRL contest and more! cheating

Well Stephen, “suspecting” how things worked in the old days is NOT the same as actually being there.
Being on 3 EME bands myself back then; I have a different version (actual) of what you wrongly “suspect”.

You see, 20m is not open to the whole world at the same time. Therefore, we had net controls which controlled the conversations and therefore the scheduling.
Often times, Station A could not chat directly with Station B.
So the net control coordinated the schedules. This worked quite well; but NOT for chatting about contacts after they happened (or didn’t)

In closing, it was NOT the same thing.

Craig, N8DJB


From: Stephen Hanselman 
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2015 10:00 PM
To: R M Barlow 
Cc: moon at moonbounce.info 
Subject: Re: [Moon] ARRL contest and more! cheating

Ron,

I must be using a different web site.  

What I saw was "CQ ###, seq"., "thanks for QSO, here's what I received" etc. 

I suspect in the old days it went something like "hey, fill in call here, let's make a schedule on ### at ##:##."  And after the contact I suspect there was a lot of chatting about what happened, went right, and more importantly wrong.

Sounds the same to me

What I really see here is the same rant we beat into the ground 6 months ago.  If you don't like it, change it don't flap your jaws. Put a like minded group together and present a plan, start your own contest, etc.  

73's

 

Stephen Hanselman, KC4SW

Datagate Systems, LLC

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On Nov 1, 2015, at 16:45, R M Barlow <qstdemb at yahoo.com> wrote:


  20m was used to make schedules, NOT as a chat room type forum to exchange signal reports, and "rogers".
                                               73 de Ron  n4gjv



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  On Sun, 11/1/15, Stephen Hanselman <eme at kc4sw.com> wrote:

  Subject: Re: [Moon] ARRL contest and more! cheating
  To: "Lars Pettersson" <sm4ive at telia.com>
  Cc: moon at moonbounce.info
  Date: Sunday, November 1, 2015, 7:17 PM

  From
  talking to some of the real old time EMEers (mostly SK now)
  they used 20M to "coordinate" those
  QSOs. 
  Hmmmm, 

  73's  Stephen Hanselman,
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