[Moon] [Moon-Net] WSJT

Peter Blair g3ltf at btinternet.com
Thu Aug 18 08:54:30 CEST 2016


GM All, for information on EME CW reporting conventions please see the last 
page of the current 432 and above EME NL.
73 Peter G3LTF

-----Original Message----- 
From: Martin Andrew via Moon
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 3:24 PM
To: moon at moonbounce.info
Subject: Re: [Moon] [Moon-Net] WSJT

This got me wondering.
Ok, with callsigns valid or invalid, like many 'work first, worry later'.
BUT, with JT65 a signal report is '000', think every one is pretty happy
with that.
But I go to CW (trying to re-learn after 30+ years) and I get a 5NN report.
Is that valid ?.
Do not seem to see anywhere were NN replaces Report and Tone.
Maybe the CW guys are also making invalid QSO's.

Martin, GM6VXB

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lars Pettersson via Moon" <moon at moonbounce.info>
To: "Joe Taylor" <joe at princeton.edu>; <moon at moonbounce.info>
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 6:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Moon] [Moon-Net] WSJT


>
> It would be interesting to hear your opinion on when a QSO is a QSO?
> The information to be developed?
> On a number of expeditions where Callsigns not existed in Call3txt and 
> where they have been held because of too many characters.
>  K1JT even typed here to not use full callsigns  and others said not to 
> use the full call: !!!In my eyes, these QSOs are not valid.
> What are your opin?ion  Real QSOs or fake.
>  Its like sending JT de IVE      could be any one so not complete QSO FAKE
>
> Interesting?
>
> Lars SM4IVE
>
>
> Den 2016-08-17 kl. 00:10, skrev Joe Taylor:
>> Hi Mark,
>>
>> EA8FF wrote:
>>> wow! I agree absolutely with  many ,it would be nice to have a system
>>> based on real decodes instead of relying on deep search. To see how
>>> much fakes deep search gives, do the following test: go to say 30 or 
>>> 20m, where
>>> there is plenty of activity and get map65 to work there. Do not transmit 
>>> and
>>> leave deep search on for some time. you will be receiving reports of 
>>> people in
>>> your call3.txt, who even do not have 30m or 20m equipment but are in 
>>> your call3.txt
>>> and giving you up to R-reports. Just do the test and you'll be convinced
>>> that any QSO made with deep search on is invalid.
>> Your experiment on 20 or 30 meters shows just one thing: if you choose
>> to turn on deep search (by default it is OFF), you should follow
>> instructions for its use.
>>
>> This decoding option was designed for VHF-and-up use, particularly EME.
>>    It is *not* suitable for use at HF, and never has been recommended for
>> such use.  If you run the DS decoder on a band full of 20 m or 30 m JT65
>> ignals, many of which are far stronger that EME signals, you're
>> guaranteed to see what appear to be false "decodes".  Any careful
>> operator would reject such garbage out of hand.
>>
>> Deep search offers an optional way to get somewhat better sensitivity
>> for very weak JT65 transmissions that contain one's own call or "CQ",
>> followed by a previously decoded callsign and a grid locator or report.
>>    This is hardly a revolutionary idea; it's no more than an algorithmic
>> adaptation of the  callsign "cheat sheets" (lists of calls known to be
>> active on a given EME band) that have been familiar to EME operators
>> since the 1970s.
>>
>> QSOs that may have benefited from deep search decoding are perfectly
>> valid, and with any normal confirmation they are accepted for DXCC, WAS,
>> and all other awards.
>>
>> -- 73, Joe, K1JT
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>
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