[Moon] RES: new DX record V51PJ - PY1MHZ

Wolfgang Schlaffer dl5mae at yahoo.de
Sun Oct 9 19:02:31 CEST 2016


OK ! 

I (!) understand:    A  complete  QSO  is  complete , when  K1JT (and nobody else!)  has  confirmed its completion! 

( I was told the QRA 64 is the non-plus-ultra...no more false decodes! And now again...PY1MHZ / V51PJ) .

Good night! 

vy 73 de DL5MAE Wolfgang


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tony everhardt <n8wac at yahoo.com> schrieb am So, 9.10.2016:

 Betreff: Re: [Moon] RES:  new DX record V51PJ - PY1MHZ
 An: "franco at py1epu.com" <franco at py1epu.com>, "'Dominique Fässler'" <dfaessler at bluewin.ch>, "'sm4ive'" <sm4ive at telia.com>, "'Wolfgang Schlaffer'" <dl5mae at yahoo.de>, "w7gj at q.com" <w7gj at q.com>
 CC: "moon at moonbounce.info" <moon at moonbounce.info>
 Datum: Sonntag, 9. Oktober, 2016 16:42 Uhr
 
 Its funny
 how a lot of you old operators can't except new
 technology. Can't except change. Digital is the future.
 Maybe not for you but for the new guys coming in. I've
 been around almost 25 years as a ham. I love some of the
 old digital modes. Are some of these modes perfect???? No.
 But I ask.....Do you copy CW 100%. Maybe there has been
 times when you mistaken a K for a C while doing cw just
 because you missed a dit?? Nothing is 100% correct. These
 fellas were also a little new using the new QRA mode. Again
 QRA is in the testing stages. They thought the contact was
 made. They did not exchanged all information to make it a
 legit QSO. And they knew that. They are many worldwide in
 this small group that also overlook to make sure that all is
 legal. I can except the fact that many will not except
 digital. Many don't want to except change or progress. I
 know how you non believers feel. I do not like that one can
 use a cellphone to work repeaters. But I don't get up in
 the morning and complain all day about it. I just move on.
 
 N8WAC
 
 
     On Sunday, October 9,
 2016 9:50 AM, Franco -PY1EPU <franco at py1epu.com>
 wrote:
   
 
  Dominique...
 
 It was not EME, informed
 Tropo.
 
 73, Franco
 PY1EPU – GG87kd  
 PY4EPU –
 GG88p0
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 -----Mensagem original-----
 De: Moon [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info]
 Em nome de Dominique Fässler
 Enviada em:
 domingo, 9 de outubro de 2016 03:44
 Para:
 'sm4ive'; 'Wolfgang Schlaffer'; w7gj at q.com
 Cc: moon at moonbounce.info
 Assunto: Re: [Moon] new DX record V51PJ -
 PY1MHZ
 
 how far has this
 activity moved away from true EME, based on randomly finding
 each other and exchanging reports and names and QTH?!
 
 I am happy not to be involved
 in this.
 73 HB9BBD
 Dominique
 
 
 
 -----Original Message-----
 From: Moon [mailto:moon-bounces at moonbounce.info]
 On Behalf Of sm4ive
 Sent: Samstag, 8.
 Oktober 2016 21:48
 To: Wolfgang Schlaffer;
 w7gj at q.com
 Cc: moon at moonbounce.info
 Subject: Re: [Moon] new DX record V51PJ -
 PY1MHZ
 
 Its quite clear that
 this digital crapp makes false Qsos. its nothing new.Its not
 the first time and certanaly nit the last time.
 
 
 Skickat från
 min Samsung Galaxy-smartphone.
 --------
 Originalmeddelande --------Från: Wolfgang Schlaffer <dl5mae at yahoo.de>
 Datum: 2016-10-08  21:38  (GMT+01:00) Till: w7gj at q.com Kopia: moon at moonbounce.info
 Rubrik: Re: [Moon] new DX record V51PJ - PY1MHZ Yes Lance,
 
 
 and why the 
 "QSO"  between V51PJ - PY1MHZ  was declared as a
 new world-record (even until yesterday on ARRL web page,
 OK2KKW  and D4C ! ) ? 
 
 HB9DUR writes on D4C page that even K1JT proved
 the "QSO" as a good one and suddenly he  us
 rowing backwards and says it was false alarm...
 
 Whats wrong? 
 
  vy 73 de DL5MAE Wolfgang
 
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 Lance Collister, W7GJ <w7gj at q.com>
 schrieb am Sa, 8.10.2016:
 
 
 Betreff: Re: [Moon] new DX record V51PJ - PY1MHZ
  An: "Wolfgang Schlaffer" <dl5mae at yahoo.de>,
 moon at moonbounce.info
  Datum: Samstag, 8. Oktober, 2016 21:31 Uhr
  
  Very simple, Wolfgang - a
  QSO is a QSO when both callsigns and signal
 reports are  exchanged and confirmed as being received by 
 each station.  That is internationally  recognized
 standard EME contact procedure for  over half a century,
 and also the  standard  for all VHF and higher weak signal
 contacts.  Having one or  both stations  imagine copying
 the other  calling them (whether by ear or by computer) has
 NEVER been
  
  considered a
 complete two-way contact...  GL and VY 73, Lance
  
  
  On
  10/8/2016 16:44, Wolfgang Schlaffer wrote:
  > Dear OM,
  >
  > many people glory  the new DX record
 made  by  > V51PJ - PY1MHZ on 2m in WSJT-X-QRA64 
 mode  > over 5987km / tropo.
  >
  > The OK2KKW (where I
  was
 lead to D4C) site still hosting this as a new DX world 
 record.
  >
  > ARRL
  website did glory this contact and K1JT until
 yesterday  ..
  > correction by
 today...
  >
  > When I
 was lead to
  the D4C website
  >
  >
 
 d4c.cc/?p=12649#comments
  >
  > I watched the printscreen and sent a
  comment @D4C  page.
  > I
 was really
  wondering  "what people
 call a 2 way QSO" .
  >
  > Today I had to read
  @D4C
 page that the QSO was a fake...(confirmed by K1JT).
  > Although the program is "still
 not
  working" (prototype program)
  >
  people over the world
 seem to use it for setting up  records.
 
 >
  >
  > After this
 year experience when a spanish  station claimed a  > DX
 QSO with  California  at some strange time on 6m I trust
 this  > JT program  less then ever b4. The  California
 station told me that he  >  wasnt QRV on 6m since many
 years....
  >
  > So my
 question, finally
  :   When does a OP
 know  when such a  QSO  is  REAL  > and not  a
 FAKE    with those  digital modes  ??
 
 >
  >
  vy 73 de DL5MAE
 Wolfgang
  >
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  >
 
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