[Moon] Future of EME looks excellent!

[serge]

Hello Dick & all
What is going on has nothing to do with WSJT or DS or call3.TXT. It has to 
do with operating procedures & code of Ethics
We all know what makes a QSO valid. The problem is on occasion some 
operators will try to legitimize  an attempt to MANUFACTURE A QSO using the 
logger. For instance " DID YOU GET MY RO ?  Or did you get My RRRR.
That is the issue. operating procedures.  I use the logger when I call CQ & 
to confirm a QSO or NOT. This is probably what Lars was trying to say among 
other things.
I think EME has a great future we have new operators every day & It really 
looks good. As an old guy from the W6PO era I learn & get often  help from 
the NEW generation of EMERS when it comes to software & computers & I thanks 
them all.
Have fun & you to Lars an old CW friend of mine
Serge VE1KG
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "DW Harms PA2DW" <qtc at kpnmail.nl>
To: <moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com>; "Moon-Bounces" <moon at moonbounce.info>
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 11:47 AM
Subject: [Moon] Future of EME looks excellent!


> Hi all,
>
>
>
> Of course I am risking more stirring up, but I think it cannot be worse 
> than
> it already is. And perhaps my noble meant input helps getting a better
> perspective, as all arrows are now only pointing towards Sweden and things
> get rougher by the day..
>
>
>
> I can see the point Lars makes as I have seen/heard many QSO's being made
> that are not 100% correct. At the big ear PI9CAM we see and hear just 
> about
> everything, but also as operator in contests I have seen people hearing
> things that were not really there.
>
> And if we then even start to exchange info about a running QSO on 
> internet,
> we go over the edge.  And believe me, I have seen people doing that.
> Probably with the best intentions, but we all know that if you bring the 
> cat
> near the bacon it will surely eat it. Mankind is no better.
>
> But that is not exclusively the case for JT-QSO's. On the contrary! If JT 
> is
> used in a sensible way, I think it is even less forgiving than CW or SSB. 
> A
> computer simply cannot fake what it detects and in this light I highly 
> value
> the suggestion that W2HRO made, about exchanging QSO data without 
> influence
> of the ever evil mankind. Can we ask Joe K1JT to look into that?
>
>
>
> But when it comes to 'deep search' (DS), it becomes difficult as the
> computer now needs help from the operator to interpret if what it detects 
> is
> actually correct. The computer helps by adding a question mark after DS
> detections in case it is unsure, so the operator can take notice and HAS 
> to
> take proper action. However sometimes I have seen the DS did not add a
> question mark behind evident false decodes and then things become vague. I
> know by studying the theory of JT and various discussions with Jan PA3FXB,
> that this has to do with the stochastic proportions of the noise which
> differ on HF and VHF/SHF.
>
> Due to that ,my personal opinion is that DS is crossing a line. So in case
> my QSO was only possible by the use of DS I add that in the log and I will
> try and again to work the station concerned, without DS on a next 
> occasion.
> So for the ones involved: now you know why I keep calling ;)
>
> And perhaps DS is the main reason why people are getting upset about
> 'fairness' etc. Because I don't hear any of the stations that object 
> against
> JT, complain about FSK441 (MS) which most of them use frequently.
>
>
>
> Lets hope we try and understand each other with the best intentions and 
> lets
> try to stay away from shouting and swearing. So from now on; no more bad
> words but only exchange of the fun we had! And I did have fun today on 
> 23cm
> EME, with my 2.4 m dish and 400W working 19 stations, 70% on CW random and
> even having small pile-ups. The best one was probably KL6M on random CW.
> That kind of QSO's still have a golden shine in my logbook J
>
> So I think the future of EME looks brilliant friends!
>
>
>
> Best 73 to all,
>
>
>
> Dick PA2DW
>
>
>
>
>
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