[Moon] [Moon-Net] Test

Dominique Fässler dfaessler at bluewin.ch
Mon Jun 26 16:31:21 CEST 2017


hi Vlada

 

no, I did not say that. On my screen there were at best 7 stations, however weaker than OZ1LPR (8dB anl) and SP6JLW (12dB anl).

I started calling SP6JLW first, calling various times - all in all 30 min at least. No QRZ.

Then took the second best option, OZ1LPR. Got QRZ after some minutes calling him. 30 min later, my first QSO was fact. I did not believe that it is possible but it came true.

So I got more enthusiasm again and restarted calling JLW who finally, after another half hour, sent his first QRZ. When I sent many times my call, I got the report. Then JLW asked for  RST, so I sent MMMM for at least 3 minutes.. RRR ended the QSO.

 

Maybe you understand that I did not try to call the weaker stations after all. I was happy and exhausted enough, hi! We will have a QSO next time!

 

By all this it is obvious that skedding would have made everything very very easy. This is one reason I resist to arrange skeds, to enter chat boxes or use internet to simplify EME down to a cheap commodity.

 

73 Dominique

HB9BBD

 

 

From: vlada [mailto:vlada.masek at volny.cz] 
Sent: Montag, 26. Juni 2017 15:41
To: Dominique Faessler; peter.hansen at dk.saabgroup.com
Cc: Moon-Bounces
Subject: Re: [Moon-Net] [Moon] Test

 

Hi Dominique,

sri, a question repeated.

Does it mean that you found only mentioned two signals and nothing from us or somebody else like G3WDG ?

Good joke with WP, I would prefer OP (Other Polarisation).

 

Maybe, I would remind that already in 1993 (before 24 yrs!) OK1KIR used CP with homemade feed and doubled WG switch

( http://www.ok1kir.cz/index.php?page=gals <http://www.ok1kir.cz/index.php?page=gals&gallery=35&galpart=1&list=1&start=0&lang=en> &gallery=35&galpart=1&list=1&start=0&lang=en ) - see enclosed picture.

 

However, it was actually wasted effort regardless 9 yrs after the CP recommendation was agreed on the 10th EME conference in Prague in 2002 and this CP compartment was even exposed to the participants as an example. 

 

Therefore later on we designed the new focus compartment only with LP in 2004/2005.

I can personally again repeat my statement that CP is the best solution for contests, but for the marginal tests (skeds) the LP is in favour. 

Nevertheless how many of us can nowadays easy swap CP and LP without any impact ?

 

So, probably it will take more time to prevail ....... 

 

73, Vlada

for OK1KIR

(if anybody curious, details on www.ok1kir.cz)

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

 

 

______________________________________________________________
> Od: Dominique Fässler <dfaessler at bluewin.ch>
> Komu: "'freetalk moonnet'" <moon at moonbounce.info>, <peter.hansen at dk.saabgroup.com>, "'vlada'" <vlada.masek at volny.cz>
> Datum: 26.06.2017 14:18
> Předmět: FW: [Moon-Net] [Moon] Test
>

Peter, Vlada

the fact that using a 2.4m dish LIN Pol can truly random copy CP signal from 1m dish with only 50W at PA output (net at feed maybe 40W) is a very strong argument to change to CP for everybody, as decided at the Prague EME conference  long ago. 

Given, the LIN Pol stn would have had CP instead, the signal would have been much easier copied, all losses by the not perfect CP feed included. The advantage would have been approx. 2.5dB.

I made 2 fully random QSOs CP with 1m dish and moderate power. Already 1.2m dish would improve another 3dB. Btw: I like "insane" power  by others, it enables me to copy them even with small dish and WP "wrong Pol")

I think time has come to go CP. No more excuses.

73 Dominique

HB9BBD

 

From: vlada [mailto:vlada.masek at volny.cz] 
Sent: Montag, 26. Juni 2017 13:23
To: Hansen Peter
Cc: Moon-net; Dominique Faessler
Subject: RE: [Moon-Net] [Moon] Test

 

Hi Peter,

very well, you touched everything, so I have nothing to add to.

Looking for another "insane" beacon power from you on 6cm !

GL and 73,

Vlada for OK1KIR

 

 

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> Od: Hansen Peter <peter.hansen at dk.saabgroup.com>
> Komu: vlada <vlada.masek at volny.cz>, Dominique Faessler <dfaessler at bluewin.ch>
> Datum: 26.06.2017 12:56
> Předmět: RE: [Moon-Net] [Moon] Test
>

> CC: <moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com>

Hi Vlada I found the conditions quite good I had roaring echo during the weekend. 

 

I have also given the CP/LIN some thoughts and I get by using V pol and  twist in case of need. Problem is no one get their CP Feeds near the performance of Lin feeds. There are additional losses in the CP feeds. Furthermore when one design a feed it is almost not fitting 100% illumination wise. Specially in Offset dishes that can be felt. Also dimensions are quite critical on 3cm making a good Circular Feed. 

I would need a waveguide Feed for Andrew/channelmaster dish. 

I am sure it will be hard to get all to agree on the topic.  

Agreed power is insane at JLW and at my Station. Well my TWTA is a Class A TWT and does like making max power out in the feed. Otherwise it is just dissipated in the TWT. It draws 3000W from the 230V when PTT. It delives around 750W on the flange but big loss in feeder system. 

 

Why alligator power ???. Well it makes everybody able to hear a signal from the moon same as the Beacon but only better as there Is actually a person behind. 

I try to infect as many as possible to this challenging part of our hobby. Hearing a signal from the moon makes them want more. 

Even my own kids are very amazed when I let them say a few words and hear them back from the Moon :o). 

 

Vlada it is stations like you that makes the band a success as it is always possible to work you. 

 

By the way soon I be QROO on 5.7Ghz also I just got the Waveguide feeder so will make 500W where around 300W will hit my Feed horn that actually is CP :O)

Have a nice day both of you.

73 Peter LPR

 

 

From: moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com [mailto:moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com] On Behalf Of vlada
Sent: 26. juni 2017 12:26
To: Dominique Faessler
Cc: Moon-net
Subject: Re: [Moon-Net] [Moon] Test

 

Hi Dominique,

first sincere congrats to 1st CW 3cm QSO.

However something still to think about as the both OZ1LPR and SP6JLW have huge TX power.

Have you ever found ours 50W signal during the contest ?

FYI, we made 32 CW QSOs.

E.g. we made also random CW QSO with OK2AQ with 1.2m dish and similar power (close to 50W at max) at spread of 120Hz, but with linear polarisation !

Seems, these 3dB is terrible difference in real ether ! 

Probably, we shall live with LP vs CP troubles for some years and for many it is not as easy to swap it.  

Vy 73,

Vlada&Tonda

OK1KIR

www.ok1kir.cz

 

 

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> Od: dfaessler <dfaessler at bluewin.ch>
> Komu: Rainer <df6na at df6na.de>, Moon Reflector <moon at moonbounce.info>
> Datum: 26.06.2017 08:43
> Předmět: Re: [Moon] Test
>


   
Hello All
Yesterday I wkd my 1st. 3cm EME QSO withOZ1LPR. It took almost 45 minutes to complete due to my small signal. Later I had another chance with SP6JLW, - same proceedure taking 30 minutes.. Easy copy at HB9BBD.No chatroom arrangement or internet stuff, real EME in CW.Thank you guys for this great fun!
Rig at HB9BBD: 1M offset dish, CIRCULAR  POL, 50W, home made LNA 0.65dB NF.
73 HB9BBD, Dominique


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Datum: 26.06.17  08:04  (GMT+01:00) 
An: Moon Reflector <moon at moonbounce.info> 
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