From pa3dzl at icloud.com  Tue Dec  1 08:32:46 2020
From: pa3dzl at icloud.com (Jac de Bruijn)
Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2020 07:32:46 -0000
Subject: [Moon] =?utf-8?q?=C2=A0_very_unfair_rules_from_ARRL_=3A-=28?=
Message-ID: <e2d62bb5-a1f1-4ad8-b6eb-d9fb1dc3522f@me.com>

Hello EME friends,


I totally agree with Slawek.
In my opinion it is not that difficult to change the rules.


If you really know about Moonbounce:
SSB = 3 points
CW = 2 points
Digi = 1 point


Regards and stay safe,
Jac, PA3DZL

Op 1 december 2020 om 7:23 uur schreef Slawek DL6SH via Moon <moon at moonbounce.info>:


Hi guys,



I spent a lot of my live time on moon for to make qso's via moon.



I am not looking for some diploma, but some friends told me to send my
log to ARRL.



Unfortunately ARRL decided to count JT qso's same as SSB qso's. And even
worse than cw qso's :-(

I have done some SSB qso's.


Maybe somebody at ARRL had made the decision, who never been qrv on
moonbounce.


I would like to see the policymaker on moon, when executing SSB as easy
like JT.



For me it is a complete bullshit decision.



I will NOT send any information to the ARRL anymore with that really
unfair rules.



Yes, I have done some WSJT qso's, but this is a completely another class.

I will do that in future maybe again, we'll see.


I wonder, why ARRL is completely off reality on moon :-(




Cu on moon,


Slawek DL6SH



-------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht --------
Betreff:    Re: Fw: ARRL EME in 3.1 Single Mode CW no SSB NOT valid???
Datum:      Mon, 30 Nov 2020 21:53:03 +0100
Von:    Slawek DL6SH <dl6sh-eme at online.de>
An:        Rick R <rick1ds at hotmail.com>
Kopie (CC):    sm4ive >> Lars Pettersson <sm4ive at telia.com>, dg5CST,
Sebastian <dg5cst at googlemail.com>



Hi Rick,

thank you for response. When ARRL rules are, that SSB contacts are the
same as very easy WSJT contacts, there is something very very wrong! I
will NOT send any logs to ARRL. They do not have acceptable  rules for
moonbounce.

I will publish that to the moon community.

Very very SAD about non fair rules.

73, Slawek dl6sh


Am 30.11.2020 um 20:14 schrieb Rick R:

Here is the response from ARRL. We inherited these rules from many
years ago, so it is not a person, but the contest committee that made
those rules. I would be sad and disappointed if you did not submit a
log as you are a great op with a great station. Rick K1DS


------------------------------------------------------------------------


*Subject:* RE: ARRL EME in 3.1 Single Mode CW no SSB NOT valid???


Hi Rick,


CW only is just that- only CW.  Including SSB with CW only wouldn’t
make it CW only anymore.  I’m not sure where the confusion is.


If you want to include SSB (phone) it will be in the “Single Operator
All Mode” category under 3.1


*3. Entry Categories:*


*3.1. *Single Operator All Mode: Any combination of CW, phone, or
digital modes. Available for all bands.


*3.2. *Single Operator CW Only: 144, 432, and 1296 MHz bands and Multi
band logs.


73,


Paul Bourque, N1SFE


Contest Program Manager


*ARRL - The national association for Amateur Radio®*


225 Main Street


Newington CT 06111-1400


Telephone: 860-594-0232


Fax: 860-594-0346


n1sfe at arrl.org


www.arrl.org


*From:* Rick R <rick1ds at hotmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, November 30, 2020 1:46 PM
*To:* Horn, Bruce, WA7BNM <bhorn at hornucopia.com>; Bourque, Paul, N1SFE
<n1sfe at arrl.org>
*Subject:* Fw: ARRL EME in 3.1 Single Mode CW no SSB NOT valid???


Can you help with this special issue below? My sense is that CW only
should include the SSB to make the scoring simpler. Rick K1DS


------------------------------------------------------------------------


*From:*Slawek DL6SH <dl6sh-eme at online.de <mailto:dl6sh-eme at online.de>>
*Sent:* Monday, November 30, 2020 10:33 AM
*To:* Rick R <rick1ds at hotmail.com <mailto:rick1ds at hotmail.com>>
*Subject:* ARRL EME in 3.1 Single Mode CW no SSB NOT valid???


Hi Rick,


is that true that for "3.2. Single Operator CW Only: 144, 432, and
1296 MHz bands and Multi band logs" does not count SSB?


I have seen now that SSB has been placed to "3.1. Single Operator All
Mode: Any combination of CW, phone, or digital modes"


SSB is much more difficult to do like CW and can not be compared with
digital modes. Why 3.1 ????


I have done a lot of qso's during ARRL contest on 1296 and 432MHz,
most in CW but some in SSB .


If SSB is not valid for 3.2. Single Operator, I will NOT send my to
ARRL anymore.


In that case I do not understand the rules. Who has defined that???


Can you give me a feedback?


73, Slawek DL6SH


Am 16.10.2020 um 19:52 schrieb Rick R via Moon-net:


I have checked with ARRL staff and they responded:


"The log uploader for EME accepts a wide variety of signal
reports. Entrants should log what they sent/copied."


"Paper logs are accepted, but must include a completed summary
sheet and a complete log."


See the ARRL website to download the paper log forms. If anyone
needs assistance to convert an electronic log to Cabrillo, I can
assist. The W3KM GenLog program can be used to produce a Cabrillo
log or N1MM can make a USER DEFINED LOG than can easily be
converted to Cabrillo. If you plan to add additional QSOs on the
3rd weekend of Nov 28-29, please wait until you are done to submit
a complete log for all the weekends you participated. 73, Rick K1DS


The deadline for log submission is For 2020 - All entries must be
*uploaded*
<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcontests.arrl.org%2Farrlemescoresubmission.php&data=04%7C01%7C%7C7e0f1aba0efd491b8eac08d895619d7a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637423593767136957%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=67J8x58y%2FSensHLdZ7EPP%2BpAEKwAFNNIjhRKDUbWPqg%3D&reserved=0>,
or postmarked no later than*December 29, 2020.*


*Participants can make their event entry submissions by the
submission deadline via web app
<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcontests.arrl.org%2Farrlemescoresubmission.php&data=04%7C01%7C%7C7e0f1aba0efd491b8eac08d895619d7a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637423593767146951%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=pYrMyrfZJ9NQZNzSyYAm86eTFsuf9ZCBScKWk7dpwh0%3D&reserved=0>,
or by postal mail as follows:*


Via our new web app at
*contests**.**arr**l**.org**/**arrleme**s**coresubmissio**n**.**ph**p*
<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcontests.arrl.org%2Farrlemescoresubmission.php&data=04%7C01%7C%7C7e0f1aba0efd491b8eac08d895619d7a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637423593767146951%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=pYrMyrfZJ9NQZNzSyYAm86eTFsuf9ZCBScKWk7dpwh0%3D&reserved=0> -
provide your event summary form detail in the web app header, then
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From Bruinier at t-online.de  Tue Dec  1 10:38:16 2020
From: Bruinier at t-online.de (Johann Bruinier)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2020 10:38:16 +0100
Subject: [Moon] contest point system
Message-ID: <9446cf3b-5ea9-940b-ed47-e04ff9735cc9@t-online.de>

Gentlemen,

I strongly share and endorse the criticism brought forward by DL6SH, 
PA3DZL, SM4IVE, F5HRY, VK6EME and others.  The problem is not new. In 
the past years we have seen that ARRL is not willing to change things. 
Formerly an avid EME-contester, I now enjoy contests when JT users are 
prepared to do CW with me. Good that there's still the DUBUS (with low 
activities).

SM2CEW says: CW is king. So be it.


Jan DL9KR.


From ok1dfc at seznam.cz  Tue Dec  1 11:15:27 2020
From: ok1dfc at seznam.cz (Zdenek SAMEK-OK1DFC)
Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2020 11:15:27 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Moon] contest point system
References: <9446cf3b-5ea9-940b-ed47-e04ff9735cc9@t-online.de>
Message-ID: <J9S.3u7e.534l80{M1Dm.1VnXU}@seznam.cz>

I agree with Jan DL9KR. Again, this is a "storm in a glass of water." ARRL 
has the ruls it has, and I can, or cannot, agree with them. But I always 
have two choices. I will participate or I will not participate. Then I have 
two choices again. I will send or not send a log. We also have a pure CW 
contest during the year, DUBUS. But as Jan writes, participation is what it 
is.

If someone disagrees with rules like ARRL's, he can put out a contest on the
same date. Unfortunately, there is no room for another large contest in the 
year. He can then accept the logs and evaluate the contest on his terms. 
Issue diplomas and issue a scorecard. We have already proposed several times
to change the conditions of ARRL at many EME conferences, without success. 
So who's going to announce a contest so that the conditions suit everyone?

Personally, I don't have time for such an undertaking and so I simply accept
the conditions that are set in the individual contests, be it the SSB Fun 
contest, the DUBUS contest, the AW or the ARRL.

We have a saying in the Czech language - "Fun runs according to who pays for
it".



-- 
Zdenek - OK1DFC
www.ok1dfc.com
QRV EME 144 MHz - 24 GHz
WAC 70-23-13-6-3cm
WAZ #9 - WAS 432 #29
DXCC 432 - 1296 MHz


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Datum: 1. 12. 2020 10:47:57
Předmět: [Moon] contest point system 
"Gentlemen,

I strongly share and endorse the criticism brought forward by DL6SH, 
PA3DZL, SM4IVE, F5HRY, VK6EME and others.  The problem is not new. In 
the past years we have seen that ARRL is not willing to change things. 
Formerly an avid EME-contester, I now enjoy contests when JT users are 
prepared to do CW with me. Good that there's still the DUBUS (with low 
activities).

SM2CEW says: CW is king. So be it.


Jan DL9KR.

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From g3ltf at btinternet.com  Tue Dec  1 11:52:24 2020
From: g3ltf at btinternet.com (Peter Blair)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2020 10:52:24 -0000
Subject: [Moon] 
	=?utf-8?q?=5BMoon-Net=5D__=C2=A0_very_unfair_rules_from_A?=
	=?utf-8?q?RRL_=3A-=28?=
In-Reply-To: <e2d62bb5-a1f1-4ad8-b6eb-d9fb1dc3522f@me.com>
References: <e2d62bb5-a1f1-4ad8-b6eb-d9fb1dc3522f@me.com>
Message-ID: <D9AE9FF046634FA7969C730C8C376EBD@PeterKBlairPC5>

GM all, 
To be honest I had always assumed that CW and SSB were in together as they are in the Dubus series. I obviously didnt read the rules carefully enough.  I worked Willie LX1DB on SSB in both sections, as did others of course, believing that was another multiplier (as well as a pleasure to hear his voice!) It never occurred to me to ask him to switch to CW and indeed he may have been on that mode as well when I was elsewhere. 
73 Peter G3LTF 

From: Jac de Bruijn via Moon-net 
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2020 7:32 AM
To: Slawek DL6SH ; moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com ; moon at moonbounce.info 
Cc: Rick R 
Subject: Re: [Moon-Net]  [Moon] very unfair rules from ARRL :-(

Hello EME friends,

I totally agree with Slawek.
In my opinion it is not that difficult to change the rules.

If you really know about Moonbounce:
SSB = 3 points
CW = 2 points
Digi = 1 point

Regards and stay safe,
Jac, PA3DZL

Op 1 december 2020 om 7:23 uur schreef Slawek DL6SH via Moon <moon at moonbounce.info>:


  Hi guys,



  I spent a lot of my live time on moon for to make qso's via moon.



  I am not looking for some diploma, but some friends told me to send my 
  log to ARRL.



  Unfortunately ARRL decided to count JT qso's same as SSB qso's. And even 
  worse than cw qso's :-(

  I have done some SSB qso's.


  Maybe somebody at ARRL had made the decision, who never been qrv on 
  moonbounce.


  I would like to see the policymaker on moon, when executing SSB as easy 
  like JT.



  For me it is a complete bullshit decision.



  I will NOT send any information to the ARRL anymore with that really 
  unfair rules.



  Yes, I have done some WSJT qso's, but this is a completely another class.

  I will do that in future maybe again, we'll see.


  I wonder, why ARRL is completely off reality on moon :-(




  Cu on moon,


  Slawek DL6SH



  -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht --------
  Betreff:    Re: Fw: ARRL EME in 3.1 Single Mode CW no SSB NOT valid???
  Datum:      Mon, 30 Nov 2020 21:53:03 +0100
  Von:    Slawek DL6SH <dl6sh-eme at online.de>
  An:        Rick R <rick1ds at hotmail.com>
  Kopie (CC):    sm4ive >> Lars Pettersson <sm4ive at telia.com>, dg5CST, 
  Sebastian <dg5cst at googlemail.com>



  Hi Rick,

  thank you for response. When ARRL rules are, that SSB contacts are the 
  same as very easy WSJT contacts, there is something very very wrong! I 
  will NOT send any logs to ARRL. They do not have acceptable  rules for 
  moonbounce.

  I will publish that to the moon community.

  Very very SAD about non fair rules.

  73, Slawek dl6sh


  Am 30.11.2020 um 20:14 schrieb Rick R:

    Here is the response from ARRL. We inherited these rules from many
    years ago, so it is not a person, but the contest committee that made
    those rules. I would be sad and disappointed if you did not submit a
    log as you are a great op with a great station. Rick K1DS


    ------------------------------------------------------------------------


    *Subject:* RE: ARRL EME in 3.1 Single Mode CW no SSB NOT valid???


    Hi Rick,


    CW only is just that- only CW.  Including SSB with CW only wouldn’t
    make it CW only anymore.  I’m not sure where the confusion is.


    If you want to include SSB (phone) it will be in the “Single Operator
    All Mode” category under 3.1


    *3. Entry Categories:*


    *3.1. *Single Operator All Mode: Any combination of CW, phone, or
    digital modes. Available for all bands.


    *3.2. *Single Operator CW Only: 144, 432, and 1296 MHz bands and Multi
    band logs.


    73,


    Paul Bourque, N1SFE


    Contest Program Manager


    *ARRL - The national association for Amateur Radio®*


    225 Main Street


    Newington CT 06111-1400


    Telephone: 860-594-0232


    Fax: 860-594-0346


    n1sfe at arrl.org


    www.arrl.org


    *From:* Rick R <rick1ds at hotmail.com>
    *Sent:* Monday, November 30, 2020 1:46 PM
    *To:* Horn, Bruce, WA7BNM <bhorn at hornucopia.com>; Bourque, Paul, N1SFE
    <n1sfe at arrl.org>
    *Subject:* Fw: ARRL EME in 3.1 Single Mode CW no SSB NOT valid???


    Can you help with this special issue below? My sense is that CW only
    should include the SSB to make the scoring simpler. Rick K1DS


    ------------------------------------------------------------------------


    *From:*Slawek DL6SH <dl6sh-eme at online.de <mailto:dl6sh-eme at online.de>>
    *Sent:* Monday, November 30, 2020 10:33 AM
    *To:* Rick R <rick1ds at hotmail.com <mailto:rick1ds at hotmail.com>>
    *Subject:* ARRL EME in 3.1 Single Mode CW no SSB NOT valid???


    Hi Rick,


    is that true that for "3.2. Single Operator CW Only: 144, 432, and
    1296 MHz bands and Multi band logs" does not count SSB?


    I have seen now that SSB has been placed to "3.1. Single Operator All
    Mode: Any combination of CW, phone, or digital modes"


    SSB is much more difficult to do like CW and can not be compared with
    digital modes. Why 3.1 ????


    I have done a lot of qso's during ARRL contest on 1296 and 432MHz,
    most in CW but some in SSB .


    If SSB is not valid for 3.2. Single Operator, I will NOT send my to
    ARRL anymore.


    In that case I do not understand the rules. Who has defined that???


    Can you give me a feedback?


    73, Slawek DL6SH


    Am 16.10.2020 um 19:52 schrieb Rick R via Moon-net:


    I have checked with ARRL staff and they responded:


    "The log uploader for EME accepts a wide variety of signal
    reports. Entrants should log what they sent/copied."


    "Paper logs are accepted, but must include a completed summary
    sheet and a complete log."


    See the ARRL website to download the paper log forms. If anyone
    needs assistance to convert an electronic log to Cabrillo, I can
    assist. The W3KM GenLog program can be used to produce a Cabrillo
    log or N1MM can make a USER DEFINED LOG than can easily be
    converted to Cabrillo. If you plan to add additional QSOs on the
    3rd weekend of Nov 28-29, please wait until you are done to submit
    a complete log for all the weekends you participated. 73, Rick K1DS


    The deadline for log submission is For 2020 - All entries must be
    *uploaded*
    <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcontests.arrl.org%2Farrlemescoresubmission.php&data=04%7C01%7C%7C7e0f1aba0efd491b8eac08d895619d7a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637423593767136957%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=67J8x58y%2FSensHLdZ7EPP%2BpAEKwAFNNIjhRKDUbWPqg%3D&reserved=0>,
    or postmarked no later than*December 29, 2020.*


    *Participants can make their event entry submissions by the
    submission deadline via web app
    <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcontests.arrl.org%2Farrlemescoresubmission.php&data=04%7C01%7C%7C7e0f1aba0efd491b8eac08d895619d7a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637423593767146951%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=pYrMyrfZJ9NQZNzSyYAm86eTFsuf9ZCBScKWk7dpwh0%3D&reserved=0>,
    or by postal mail as follows:*


    Via our new web app at
    *contests**.**arr**l**.org**/**arrleme**s**coresubmissio**n**.**ph**p*
    <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcontests.arrl.org%2Farrlemescoresubmission.php&data=04%7C01%7C%7C7e0f1aba0efd491b8eac08d895619d7a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637423593767146951%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=pYrMyrfZJ9NQZNzSyYAm86eTFsuf9ZCBScKWk7dpwh0%3D&reserved=0> -
    provide your event summary form detail in the web app header, then
    attach your Cabrillo file to your submission.


    Or by mail to: *ARRL EME Contest, 225 Main St, Newington CT 06111*


    *


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From g3ltf at btinternet.com  Tue Dec  1 11:58:27 2020
From: g3ltf at btinternet.com (Peter Blair)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2020 10:58:27 -0000
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-Net]  contest point system
In-Reply-To: <J9S.3u7e.534l80{M1Dm.1VnXU}@seznam.cz>
References: <9446cf3b-5ea9-940b-ed47-e04ff9735cc9@t-online.de>
 <J9S.3u7e.534l80{M1Dm.1VnXU}@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <268D59A89E38444886F2AFB8D7741961@PeterKBlairPC5>

Excellently put Zdenek,
Fully agree.  A small correction, I think you meant ARI when you wrote AW.
73 Peter G3LTF 

From: Zdenek SAMEK-OK1DFC via Moon-net 
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2020 10:15 AM
To: Johann Bruinier 
Cc: moon at moonbounce.info ; moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com 
Subject: Re: [Moon-Net] [Moon] contest point system

I agree with Jan DL9KR. Again, this is a "storm in a glass of water." ARRL has the ruls it has, and I can, or cannot, agree with them. But I always have two choices. I will participate or I will not participate. Then I have two choices again. I will send or not send a log. We also have a pure CW contest during the year, DUBUS. But as Jan writes, participation is what it is.

If someone disagrees with rules like ARRL's, he can put out a contest on the same date. Unfortunately, there is no room for another large contest in the year. He can then accept the logs and evaluate the contest on his terms. Issue diplomas and issue a scorecard. We have already proposed several times to change the conditions of ARRL at many EME conferences, without success. So who's going to announce a contest so that the conditions suit everyone?
Personally, I don't have time for such an undertaking and so I simply accept the conditions that are set in the individual contests, be it the SSB Fun contest, the DUBUS contest, the AW or the ARRL.
We have a saying in the Czech language - "Fun runs according to who pays for it".



-- 
Zdenek - OK1DFC
www.ok1dfc.com
QRV EME 144 MHz - 24 GHz
WAC 70-23-13-6-3cm
WAZ #9 - WAS 432 #29
DXCC 432 - 1296 MHz


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Předmět: [Moon] contest point system 

  Gentlemen,

  I strongly share and endorse the criticism brought forward by DL6SH, 
  PA3DZL, SM4IVE, F5HRY, VK6EME and others.  The problem is not new. In 
  the past years we have seen that ARRL is not willing to change things. 
  Formerly an avid EME-contester, I now enjoy contests when JT users are 
  prepared to do CW with me. Good that there's still the DUBUS (with low 
  activities).

  SM2CEW says: CW is king. So be it.


  Jan DL9KR.

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From ok1dfc at seznam.cz  Tue Dec  1 13:30:15 2020
From: ok1dfc at seznam.cz (Zdenek SAMEK-OK1DFC)
Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2020 13:30:15 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-Net]  contest point system
References: <9446cf3b-5ea9-940b-ed47-e04ff9735cc9@t-online.de>
 <J9S.3u7e.534l80{M1Dm.1VnXU}@seznam.cz>
 <268D59A89E38444886F2AFB8D7741961@PeterKBlairPC5>
Message-ID: <JLF.3u76.568xpry1Ogx.1VnZTN@seznam.cz>


Oh yes, sorry Peter, thank you for your explain.




-- 
Zdenek - OK1DFC
www.ok1dfc.com
QRV EME 144 MHz - 24 GHz
WAC 70-23-13-6-3cm
WAZ #9 - WAS 432 #29
DXCC 432 - 1296 MHz


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Komu: Zdenek SAMEK-OK1DFC <ok1dfc at seznam.cz>, Johann Bruinier <Bruinier at t-
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Datum: 1. 12. 2020 12:02:48
Předmět: Re: [Moon-Net] [Moon] contest point system 
" 


Excellently put Zdenek,

Fully agree.  A small correction, I think you meant ARI when you wrote AW.

73 Peter G3LTF 



 
 

From: Zdenek SAMEK-OK1DFC via Moon-net(mailto:moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com) 

Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2020 10:15 AM

To: Johann Bruinier(mailto:Bruinier at t-online.de) 

Cc: moon at moonbounce.info(mailto:moon at moonbounce.info) ; moon-net at mailman.pe1
itr.com(mailto:moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com) 

Subject: Re: [Moon-Net] [Moon] contest point system



 

 
I agree with Jan DL9KR. Again, this is a "storm in a glass of water." ARRL 
has the ruls it has, and I can, or cannot, agree with them. But I always 
have two choices. I will participate or I will not participate. Then I have 
two choices again. I will send or not send a log. We also have a pure CW 
contest during the year, DUBUS. But as Jan writes, participation is what it 
is.

If someone disagrees with rules like ARRL's, he can put out a contest on the
same date. Unfortunately, there is no room for another large contest in the 
year. He can then accept the logs and evaluate the contest on his terms. 
Issue diplomas and issue a scorecard. We have already proposed several times
to change the conditions of ARRL at many EME conferences, without success. 
So who's going to announce a contest so that the conditions suit everyone?

Personally, I don't have time for such an undertaking and so I simply accept
the conditions that are set in the individual contests, be it the SSB Fun 
contest, the DUBUS contest, the AW or the ARRL.

We have a saying in the Czech language - "Fun runs according to who pays for
it".



-- 
Zdenek - OK1DFC
www.ok1dfc.com
QRV EME 144 MHz - 24 GHz
WAC 70-23-13-6-3cm
WAZ #9 - WAS 432 #29
DXCC 432 - 1296 MHz


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Komu: moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com, moon at moonbounce.info
Datum: 1. 12. 2020 10:47:57
Předmět: [Moon] contest point system 
"Gentlemen,

I strongly share and endorse the criticism brought forward by DL6SH, 
PA3DZL, SM4IVE, F5HRY, VK6EME and others.  The problem is not new. In 
the past years we have seen that ARRL is not willing to change things. 
Formerly an avid EME-contester, I now enjoy contests when JT users are 
prepared to do CW with me. Good that there's still the DUBUS (with low 
activities).

SM2CEW says: CW is king. So be it.


Jan DL9KR.

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From rick1ds at hotmail.com  Tue Dec  1 15:10:51 2020
From: rick1ds at hotmail.com (Rick R)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2020 14:10:51 +0000
Subject: [Moon] CW-PHONE Clarification.
Message-ID: <BN8PR03MB4740FC525A61427B2F2B6400FAF40@BN8PR03MB4740.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>

I have been in touch with ARRL and they are making some clarifications in the categories for scoring so that CW/Phone is still one category and Mixed is the other category so there is no misunderstanding. We are back to business as usual without any rancor regarding the digital.
PLEASE SUBMIT YOUR LOGS AS PREVIOUS AND THANK YOU ALL FOR GREAT EME ACTIVITY.   73, Rick K1DS

From graham.d at orange.fr  Tue Dec  1 15:33:12 2020
From: graham.d at orange.fr (graham.d)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2020 15:33:12 +0100
Subject: [Moon] CW-PHONE Clarification.
In-Reply-To: <BN8PR03MB4740FC525A61427B2F2B6400FAF40@BN8PR03MB4740.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN8PR03MB4740FC525A61427B2F2B6400FAF40@BN8PR03MB4740.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <e5b49f1e-1330-98fb-9cdc-1b9077bd5f9b@orange.fr>

 >We are back to business as usual without any rancor regarding the 
digital.

nothings changed the ARRL are still blurry rancors...

Graham



From g0ruz at g0ruz.com  Tue Dec  1 15:34:31 2020
From: g0ruz at g0ruz.com (Conrad PA5Y)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2020 14:34:31 +0000
Subject: [Moon] very unfair rules from ARRL :-(
Message-ID: <AM7P189MB10103EAF8144408D7F1E6DAAB5F40@AM7P189MB1010.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

As one who is active on 2m I have no choice but to use JT65B during the ARRL contest. I totally agree with Jac that incentives for CW and SSB contacts would be of great benefit. As it stands there is no incentive whatsoever for CW QSOs on 2m and that is a shame, because I could have CW QSOs and would like to. I have always preferred CW but there is no one to work on 2m anymore.

I am looking forward to getting on 70cms and 23cms next year!

In keeping with the current ARRL scoring of 100pts per QSO I suggest:

DIGI 100pts
CW 200pts
SSB 300pts

Then a mixed mode contest would make much more sense.  I urge the ARRL to consider this, it would retain people who prefer CW and reward those who have built good enough stations to have SSB QSOs. At the very least SSB and CW should be differentiated from DIGI QSOs. The level of difficulty should be rewarded.

73

Conrad PA5Y


From graham.d at orange.fr  Tue Dec  1 15:35:21 2020
From: graham.d at orange.fr (graham.d)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2020 15:35:21 +0100
Subject: [Moon] CW-PHONE Clarification.
In-Reply-To: <BN8PR03MB4740FC525A61427B2F2B6400FAF40@BN8PR03MB4740.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN8PR03MB4740FC525A61427B2F2B6400FAF40@BN8PR03MB4740.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <7356042f-7b82-b162-3157-b8232523251c@orange.fr>

 >We are back to business as usual without any rancor regarding the 
digital.

nothings changed the ARRL are still blurry rancors...

Graham


From donhawbaker at comcast.net  Tue Dec  1 15:59:03 2020
From: donhawbaker at comcast.net (Don Hawbaker)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2020 09:59:03 -0500
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-Net] very unfair rules from ARRL :-(
In-Reply-To: <AM7P189MB10103EAF8144408D7F1E6DAAB5F40@AM7P189MB1010.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <0a60c697-ef0c-4cbf-9375-4a9fb98467cb@iPhone>

      
  

 I find it ironic that people who operate a simple on off protocol, CW, seem to think it is so easy to configure and operate a good WSJT station.
  

  
I think there may be some envy because WSJT allows you to work a greater number of stations.
  

  
Perhaps CW and JT should not be in the same contest.    It’s like a car race between a model T and a sports car.
  

  
Heaven forbid that technology move     forward.    Isn’t ham radio supposed to push forward our knowledge and capability?
  

  
If you really need to work CW, get out your novice crystals and fire up the DX60 on 80 meters.
  

  
Let the flames begin.
  
  
  
    
  

  
  
>   
> On Dec 1, 2020 at 9:39 AM,  <Conrad PA5Y via Moon-net (mailto:moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com)>  wrote:
>   
>   
>     
>   
>  As one who is active on 2m I have no choice but to use JT65B during the ARRL contest. I totally agree with Jac that incentives for CW and SSB contacts would be of great benefit. As it stands there is no incentive whatsoever for CW QSOs on 2m and that is a shame, because I could have CW QSOs and would like to. I have always preferred CW but there is no one to work on 2m anymore.
>   
>   
>   
>  I am looking forward to getting on 70cms and 23cms next year!   
>   
>   
>   
>  In keeping with the current ARRL scoring of 100pts per QSO I suggest:
>   
>   
>   
>  DIGI 100pts
>   
>  CW 200pts
>   
>  SSB 300pts
>   
>   
>   
>  Then a mixed mode contest would make much more sense.    I urge the ARRL to consider this, it would retain people who prefer CW and reward those who have built good enough stations to have SSB QSOs. At the very least SSB and CW should be differentiated from DIGI QSOs. The level of difficulty should be rewarded.
>   
>   
>   
>  73
>   
>   
>   
>  Conrad PA5Y
>   
>              

From dl6sh-eme at online.de  Tue Dec  1 16:31:51 2020
From: dl6sh-eme at online.de (Slawek DL6SH)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2020 16:31:51 +0100
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-Net] very unfair rules from ARRL :-(
In-Reply-To: <0a60c697-ef0c-4cbf-9375-4a9fb98467cb@iPhone>
References: <0a60c697-ef0c-4cbf-9375-4a9fb98467cb@iPhone>
Message-ID: <719f4cd4-7f41-1a12-b597-aa27fa8dc226@online.de>

Very confusing answer!

Lot of cw operators are working in in wsjt / wsjt-x as well. We can 
compare our logs if needed about that.

I started this thread about the analog category where cw and ssb should 
count both as already before.

This seems to be solved by K1DS now.

About scoring in mixed category and maybe separate should be an other 
discussion, maybe on other topic and / or during next eme conference.

By the way: for me it was much much easier to get qrv in wsjt like in 
cw. Only a quick installation on my pc and some tiny config to get ready.
And I am sure the wsjt part of my station ist running great.

To get cw decode in my head it took me years and still not perfekt.

So what is more difficult?

To write about forbidding technology is nonsense for my opinion.

Maybe you can add you call to your email, then we do not need to take a 
look in a glass bowl for that.

73, Slawek DL6SH


Am 01.12.2020 um 15:59 schrieb Don Hawbaker via Moon-net:
> I find it ironic that people who operate a simple on off protocol, CW, 
> seem to think it is so easy to configure and operate a good WSJT station.
>
> I think there may be some envy because WSJT allows you to work a 
> greater number of stations.
>
> Perhaps CW and JT should not be in the same contest.  It’s like a car 
> race between a model T and a sports car.
>
> Heaven forbid that technology move  forward.  Isn’t ham radio supposed 
> to push forward our knowledge and capability?
>
> If you really need to work CW, get out your novice crystals and fire 
> up the DX60 on 80 meters.
>
> Let the flames begin.
>
>
>
>> On Dec 1, 2020 at 9:39 AM, <Conrad PA5Y via Moon-net 
>> <mailto:moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com>> wrote:nd
>>
>> As one who is active on 2m I have no choice but to use JT65B during 
>> the ARRL contest. I totally agree with Jac that incentives for CW and 
>> SSB contacts would be of great benefit. As it stands there is no 
>> incentive whatsoever for CW QSOs on 2m and that is a shame, because I 
>> could have CW QSOs and would like to. I have always preferred CW but 
>> there is no one to work on 2m anymore.
>>
>> I am looking forward to getting on 70cms and 23cms next year!
>>
>> In keeping with the current ARRL scoring of 100pts per QSO I suggest:
>>
>> DIGI 100pts
>> CW 200pts
>> SSB 300pts
>>
>> Then a mixed mode contest would make much more sense. I urge the ARRL 
>> to consider this, it would retain people who prefer CW and reward 
>> those who have built good enough stations to have SSB QSOs. At the 
>> very least SSB and CW should be differentiated from DIGI QSOs. The 
>> level of difficulty should be rewarded.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Conrad PA5Y
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From dj3jj at gmx.net  Tue Dec  1 16:33:15 2020
From: dj3jj at gmx.net (dj3jj at gmx.net)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2020 16:33:15 +0100
Subject: [Moon] contest point system
In-Reply-To: <J9S.3u7e.534l80{M1Dm.1VnXU}@seznam.cz>
References: <9446cf3b-5ea9-940b-ed47-e04ff9735cc9@t-online.de>
 <J9S.3u7e.534l80{M1Dm.1VnXU}@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <trinity-9376b3e3-85b1-4b12-8a2a-f81531984c6b-1606836795535@msvc-mesg-gmx023>

i was really impressed about your great 23 cm signal Zdenek with your 2.6 m offset dish the new feed and your 500 W on my 2.5 m dish
Thanks for the test qso s on jt and cw to compare signal strength and performance of our systems 

Conditions have been very tricky this time
Saturday night we had thick fog plus 2dB extra loss because Moon was 405000km away

It was interesting how many big guns could not pick up my cw signal and how conditions did get much better on Sunday when we had a clear cold night

If Lars SM4IVE with his 13 m dish can not copy me i know that conditions are really poor
Normally easy peasy ;o)

My new self designed Sequencer worked perfect and now i am working on some other ideas to improve my station

I am again curious about what will be possible with my station in the ssb funtest
A great event organised by AL K2UYH which is every year my highlight as ultra noisy ssb with my small dish is super exciting with every qso

Last year i made 3 x ssb ssb and 6 x ssb cw

I can recommend everybody to try this out !

You will be surprised what is possible if you optimize your station for dx modulation and optimize compression to give every dB to your  partner to copy you

This is a completely different way to optimize your station and there is a lot of room for improvement which for me is big fun to find out and learn

Based on the Motto from Peter i say to all cw ssb guys:

Activity is king

As you can see on my qrz.com page 
where i show the cw activity in the Dubus contests year per year its your activity that motivates others that its worth to become active too

I wish everybody a relaxed Christmas time and a lot of good ideas for the coming 2021

73 s Andreas DJ3JJ 

 


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Am 01.12.20 um 11:15 schrieb Zdenek SAMEK-OK1DFC via Moon

> I agree with Jan DL9KR. Again, this is a "storm in a glass of water." ARRL 
> has the ruls it has, and I can, or cannot, agree with them. But I always 
> have two choices. I will participate or I will not participate. Then I have 
> two choices again. I will send or not send a log. We also have a pure CW 
> contest during the year, DUBUS. But as Jan writes, participation is what it 
> is.
> 
> If someone disagrees with rules like ARRL's, he can put out a contest on the
> same date. Unfortunately, there is no room for another large contest in the 
> year. He can then accept the logs and evaluate the contest on his terms. 
> Issue diplomas and issue a scorecard. We have already proposed several times
> to change the conditions of ARRL at many EME conferences, without success. 
> So who's going to announce a contest so that the conditions suit everyone?
> 
> Personally, I don't have time for such an undertaking and so I simply accept
> the conditions that are set in the individual contests, be it the SSB Fun 
> contest, the DUBUS contest, the AW or the ARRL.
> 
> We have a saying in the Czech language - "Fun runs according to who pays for
> it".
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Zdenek - OK1DFC
> www.ok1dfc.com
> QRV EME 144 MHz - 24 GHz
> WAC 70-23-13-6-3cm
> WAZ #9 - WAS 432 #29
> DXCC 432 - 1296 MHz
> 
> 
> ---------- Původní e-mail ----------
> Od: Johann Bruinier via Moon <moon at moonbounce.info>
> Komu: moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com, moon at moonbounce.info
> Datum: 1. 12. 2020 10:47:57
> Předmět: [Moon] contest point system 
> "Gentlemen,
> 
> I strongly share and endorse the criticism brought forward by DL6SH, 
> PA3DZL, SM4IVE, F5HRY, VK6EME and others.  The problem is not new. In 
> the past years we have seen that ARRL is not willing to change things. 
> Formerly an avid EME-contester, I now enjoy contests when JT users are 
> prepared to do CW with me. Good that there's still the DUBUS (with low 
> activities).
> 
> SM2CEW says: CW is king. So be it.
> 
> 
> Jan DL9KR.
> 
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From donhawbaker at comcast.net  Tue Dec  1 16:32:54 2020
From: donhawbaker at comcast.net (Don Hawbaker)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2020 10:32:54 -0500
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-Net] very unfair rules from ARRL :-(
In-Reply-To: <0a60c697-ef0c-4cbf-9375-4a9fb98467cb@iPhone>
Message-ID: <05b7c309-fbc5-4fe1-94a0-bc62c93fcec6@iPhone>

      
  

 And while the issue of fairness is being discussed, having two meters in the same contest as the microwave bands seems so patently unfair that you shouldn't   have to even think about it.
  
  
  
    
  

  
  
>   
> On Dec 1, 2020 at 10:25 AM,  <Don Hawbaker via Moon (mailto:moon at moonbounce.info)>  wrote:
>   
>   
>   
>  I find it ironic that people who operate a simple on off protocol, CW, seem to think it is so easy to configure and operate a good WSJT station. I think there may be some envy because WSJT allows you to work a greater number of stations. Perhaps CW and JT should not be in the same contest. It’s like a car race between a model T and a sports car. Heaven forbid that technology move forward. Isn’t ham radio supposed to push forward our knowledge and capability? If you really need to work CW, get out your novice crystals and fire up the DX60 on 80 meters. Let the flames begin.  >   >  On Dec 1, 2020 at 9:39 AM,  <Conrad PA5Y via Moon-net (mailto:moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com)>  wrote:  >   >   >   >   >  As one who is active on 2m I have no choice but to use JT65B during the ARRL contest. I totally agree with Jac that incentives for CW and SSB contacts would be of great benefit. As it stands there is no incentive whatsoever for CW QSOs on 2m and that is a shame, because I could have CW QSOs and would like to. I have always preferred CW but there is no one to work on 2m anymore.  >   >   >   >  I am looking forward to getting on 70cms and 23cms next year!  >   >   >   >  In keeping with the current ARRL scoring of 100pts per QSO I suggest:  >   >   >   >  DIGI 100pts  >   >  CW 200pts  >   >  SSB 300pts  >   >   >   >  Then a mixed mode contest would make much more sense. I urge the ARRL to consider this, it would retain people who prefer CW and reward those who have built good enough stations to have SSB QSOs. At the very least SSB and CW should be differentiated from DIGI QSOs. The level of difficulty should be rewarded.  >   >   >   >  73  >   >   >   >  Conrad PA5Y  >   >  _______________________________________________ Moon mailing list Moon at moonbounce.info http://moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon Join eQSL.cc https://eqsl.cc/qslcard/Index.cfm  
>
>   
  
  
     

From dl6sh-eme at online.de  Tue Dec  1 17:00:56 2020
From: dl6sh-eme at online.de (Slawek DL6SH)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2020 17:00:56 +0100
Subject: [Moon] SOLVED and CLOSED: very unfair rules from ARRL :-(
In-Reply-To: <624d55d4-1c00-670a-f35e-257c1d2d84b7@online.de>
References: <046cbfde-da2e-94a3-efa5-6e68284e1369@online.de>
 <624d55d4-1c00-670a-f35e-257c1d2d84b7@online.de>
Message-ID: <50b732ca-b31a-529b-ce05-4189fcd425f0@online.de>

Hi All,

I wrote about:


/> 3.2. Single Operator CW Only: 144, 432, and 1296 MHz bands and Multi 
band logs" does not count SSB? //
//> I have seen now that SSB has been placed to "3.1. Single Operator 
All Mode: Any combination of CW, phone, or digital modes" /

This is now solved by Rick, K1DS, who has a good contact to ARRL. Single 
Operator CW class includes CW and SSB now, as in 2019.

We had several email discussions off net about that.

Thank you Rick!


73, Slawek DL6SH



Am 30.11.2020 um 22:14 schrieb Slawek DL6SH via Moon:
> Hi guys,
>
>
>
> I spent a lot of my live time on moon for to make qso's via moon.
>
>
>
> I am not looking for some diploma, but some friends told me to send my 
> log to ARRL.
>
>
>
> Unfortunately ARRL decided to count JT qso's same as SSB qso's. And 
> even worse than cw qso's :-(
>
> I have done some SSB qso's.
>
>
> Maybe somebody at ARRL had made the decision, who never been qrv on 
> moonbounce.
>
>
> I would like to see the policymaker on moon, when executing SSB as 
> easy like JT.
>
>
>
> For me it is a complete bullshit decision.
>
>
>
> I will NOT send any information to the ARRL anymore with that really 
> unfair rules.
>
>
>
> Yes, I have done some WSJT qso's, but this is a completely another class.
>
> I will do that in future maybe again, we'll see.
>
>
> I wonder, why ARRL is completely off reality on moon :-(
>
>
>
>
> Cu on moon,
>
>
> Slawek DL6SH
>
>


From ik4nmf at gmail.com  Tue Dec  1 17:12:12 2020
From: ik4nmf at gmail.com (ik4nmf)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2020 17:12:12 +0100
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-Net] very unfair rules from ARRL :-(
In-Reply-To: <0a60c697-ef0c-4cbf-9375-4a9fb98467cb@iPhone>
References: <0a60c697-ef0c-4cbf-9375-4a9fb98467cb@iPhone>
Message-ID: <F4A91FDC28EE43CFA934C54CB7B75B7E@FaustoPC>

>I think there may be some envy because WSJT allows you to work a greater 
>number of stations.

It always depends who is behind the keyer ...

Fausto IK4NMF


From pchomins at san.rr.com  Tue Dec  1 18:50:42 2020
From: pchomins at san.rr.com (Paul)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2020 09:50:42 -0800
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-Net] contest point system
In-Reply-To: <9446cf3b-5ea9-940b-ed47-e04ff9735cc9@t-online.de>
References: <9446cf3b-5ea9-940b-ed47-e04ff9735cc9@t-online.de>
Message-ID: <F439AFD3EA0248AD9D57DABED433DA6C@PaulChPC>

Hi All,
I agree with all comments presented below. In my opinion the best and only
solution is to divide EME Contest into the independent contests or at least
weekends for CW/SSB  and Digital modes. During last contest weekend on 70 cm
I could hear many JT signals and only one CW signal - my own echoes. 

73 Paul WA6PY

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Johann Bruinier via Moon-net
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 01:38
To: moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com; moon at moonbounce.info
Subject: [Moon-Net] contest point system

Gentlemen,

I strongly share and endorse the criticism brought forward by DL6SH, 
PA3DZL, SM4IVE, F5HRY, VK6EME and others.  The problem is not new. In 
the past years we have seen that ARRL is not willing to change things. 
Formerly an avid EME-contester, I now enjoy contests when JT users are 
prepared to do CW with me. Good that there's still the DUBUS (with low 
activities).

SM2CEW says: CW is king. So be it.


Jan DL9KR.

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From zapp at sm2cew.com  Tue Dec  1 19:31:49 2020
From: zapp at sm2cew.com (Peter)
Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2020 18:31:49 +0000
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-Net] very unfair rules from ARRL :-(
In-Reply-To: <0a60c697-ef0c-4cbf-9375-4a9fb98467cb@iPhone>
References: <AM7P189MB10103EAF8144408D7F1E6DAAB5F40@AM7P189MB1010.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
 <0a60c697-ef0c-4cbf-9375-4a9fb98467cb@iPhone>
Message-ID: <kARLkO1Sn3UCOkARMkQlxo@v-smtpout1.han.skanova.net>

I think that Mr Hawbaker came in through the back door to EME.

Where's the problem in configuring and operating station that makes 
use of the WSJT software suite?

However, I am not surprised that it might be a problem for you as 
it's probably pretty difficult to connect the two audio lines to the 
correct connectors on the soundcard. And to point the mouse to the 
correct line on the waterfall.

It is quite an insult to suggest that people who use "a simple on/off 
protocol CW" are envious of click/click/log operators. Believe me, I 
am not, never have been.

But simple on/off CW apparently isn't so simple that you can't master 
it and make EME QSO's. So you prefer to be spoon fed instead. So be it.

We who do use CW regularly are rather proud to actually do the work 
ourselves with our ears and our brain. We are not spoon fed.

CW is King!

And as DJ3JJ said - Activity is King!


73 de Peter SM2CEW


At 14:59 2020-12-01, Don Hawbaker via Moon wrote:
>I find it ironic that people who operate a simple on off protocol, 
>CW, seem to think it is so easy to configure and operate a good WSJT 
>station.   I think there may be some envy because WSJT allows you to 
>work a greater number of stations.



From g0ruz at g0ruz.com  Wed Dec  2 09:18:32 2020
From: g0ruz at g0ruz.com (Conrad PA5Y)
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 08:18:32 +0000
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-Net] very unfair rules from ARRL :-(
In-Reply-To: <04f401d6c848$dcbaabb0$96300310$@comcast.net>
References: <AM7P189MB10103EAF8144408D7F1E6DAAB5F40@AM7P189MB1010.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>,
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Message-ID: <AM7P189MB1010DA64378B472EA431E540B5F30@AM7P189MB1010.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hello Russ no I did think it through but on my original email I forgot to mention the 3 categories, CW/SSB, MIXED and DIGI. Personally, I am happy with the rules as they are but when I move up to 70 and 23cms I would like to be able to compete in a mixed section. I am happy to have both CW and DIGI QSOs. Unless I misunderstood that is currently not possible. I was attempting to keep the peace. Not all CW operators are opposed to DIGI QSOs.

What will be will be.

Regards

Conrad PA5Y

________________________________
From: Russ <k2txb at comcast.net>
Sent: 02 December 2020 02:17
To: Conrad PA5Y <g0ruz at g0ruz.com>
Cc: 'moonbounce_info' <moon at moonbounce.info>
Subject: RE: [Moon-Net] very unfair rules from ARRL :-(


With all due respect, Conrad, I don’t think you have thought this through.  By your reasoning, a CW station should be awarded more points because it is harder to make contacts with CW.  By that reasoning, I should get more points when I work a station running a single Yagi antenna and 300 watts, than when I work an easy contact with a guy running a KW and 4 antennas.  And by that reasoning there is no end.  Should a guy with a small setup have a point advantage because it is harder to make contacts.  Should HB9Q get a point penalty because it is so easy for him to work many stations?  How about those of us who live in a high noise urban or city area – certainly the rules are ‘unfair’ for them…



No, the rules are the rules, and everyone is treated equally.  That is fair.



73, Russ K2TXB



From: Moon-net <moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com> On Behalf Of Conrad PA5Y via Moon-net
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2020 9:35 AM
To: 'moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com' <moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com>
Cc: moonbounce_info <moon at moonbounce.info>
Subject: Re: [Moon-Net] very unfair rules from ARRL :-(



As one who is active on 2m I have no choice but to use JT65B during the ARRL contest. I totally agree with Jac that incentives for CW and SSB contacts would be of great benefit. As it stands there is no incentive whatsoever for CW QSOs on 2m and that is a shame, because I could have CW QSOs and would like to. I have always preferred CW but there is no one to work on 2m anymore.



I am looking forward to getting on 70cms and 23cms next year!



In keeping with the current ARRL scoring of 100pts per QSO I suggest:



DIGI 100pts

CW 200pts

SSB 300pts



Then a mixed mode contest would make much more sense.  I urge the ARRL to consider this, it would retain people who prefer CW and reward those who have built good enough stations to have SSB QSOs. At the very least SSB and CW should be differentiated from DIGI QSOs. The level of difficulty should be rewarded.



73



Conrad PA5Y



From ur5lx at ukr.net  Wed Dec  2 10:29:34 2020
From: ur5lx at ukr.net (Sergey Lysenko)
Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2020 11:29:34 +0200
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-Net] very unfair rules from ARRL :-(
In-Reply-To: <AM7P189MB1010DA64378B472EA431E540B5F30@AM7P189MB1010.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <AM7P189MB10103EAF8144408D7F1E6DAAB5F40@AM7P189MB1010.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>,
 <04f401d6c848$dcbaabb0$96300310$@comcast.net>
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Message-ID: <1606901370.427493000.rcuj6bku@frv52.fwdcdn.com>

Best 1 leg CW-SSB ,2 leg DIGI.

--- Исходное сообщение ---
От кого: "Conrad PA5Y via Moon" <moon at moonbounce.info>
Дата: 2 декабря 2020, 10:48:09

Hello Russ no I did think it through but on my original email I forgot to mention the 3 categories, CW/SSB, MIXED and DIGI. Personally, I am happy with the rules as they are but when I move up to 70 and 23cms I would like to be able to compete in a mixed section. I am happy to have both CW and DIGI QSOs. Unless I misunderstood that is currently not possible. I was attempting to keep the peace. Not all CW operators are opposed to DIGI QSOs.

What will be will be.

Regards

Conrad PA5Y

________________________________
From: Russ <k2txb at comcast.net>
Sent: 02 December 2020 02:17
To: Conrad PA5Y <g0ruz at g0ruz.com>
Cc: 'moonbounce_info' <moon at moonbounce.info>
Subject: RE: [Moon-Net] very unfair rules from ARRL :-(


With all due respect, Conrad, I don’t think you have thought this through.  By your reasoning, a CW station should be awarded more points because it is harder to make contacts with CW.  By that reasoning, I should get more points when I work a station running a single Yagi antenna and 300 watts, than when I work an easy contact with a guy running a KW and 4 antennas.  And by that reasoning there is no end.  Should a guy with a small setup have a point advantage because it is harder to make contacts.  Should HB9Q get a point penalty because it is so easy for him to work many stations?  How about those of us who live in a high noise urban or city area – certainly the rules are ‘unfair’ for them…



No, the rules are the rules, and everyone is treated equally.  That is fair.



73, Russ K2TXB



From: Moon-net <moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com> On Behalf Of Conrad PA5Y via Moon-net
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2020 9:35 AM
To: 'moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com' <moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com>
Cc: moonbounce_info <moon at moonbounce.info>
Subject: Re: [Moon-Net] very unfair rules from ARRL :-(



As one who is active on 2m I have no choice but to use JT65B during the ARRL contest. I totally agree with Jac that incentives for CW and SSB contacts would be of great benefit. As it stands there is no incentive whatsoever for CW QSOs on 2m and that is a shame, because I could have CW QSOs and would like to. I have always preferred CW but there is no one to work on 2m anymore.



I am looking forward to getting on 70cms and 23cms next year!



In keeping with the current ARRL scoring of 100pts per QSO I suggest:



DIGI 100pts

CW 200pts

SSB 300pts



Then a mixed mode contest would make much more sense.  I urge the ARRL to consider this, it would retain people who prefer CW and reward those who have built good enough stations to have SSB QSOs. At the very least SSB and CW should be differentiated from DIGI QSOs. The level of difficulty should be rewarded.



73



Conrad PA5Y


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From donhawbaker at comcast.net  Wed Dec  2 11:01:55 2020
From: donhawbaker at comcast.net (Donhawbaker)
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 05:01:55 -0500
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-Net] very unfair rules from ARRL :-(
In-Reply-To: <1606901370.427493000.rcuj6bku@frv52.fwdcdn.com>
Message-ID: <26c5a575-ad7b-4238-a391-11b9047bdefc@WA3RGQ>

      
  

 There are a lot of simple changes that could be made if someone would just do it.
  

  
For instance, we don’t really need two weekends for 1296 and down.
  

  
But we need more than one weekend for 2304 and up.    As often has been pointed out, for many stations, it is not simple to change feedhorn and equipment in a few hours.    There would be more activity on other bands if we had more time to change and optimize our equipment.
  

  
As it is now, you have to choose one band and ignore the others.
  

  
I have a lot of expensive equipment that I cannot use during the contest because I need more time to set it up.
  
  
  
    
  

  
  
>   
> On Dec 2, 2020 at 4:49 AM,  <Sergey Lysenko via Moon (mailto:moon at moonbounce.info)>  wrote:
>   
>   
>   
>  Best 1 leg CW-SSB ,2 leg DIGI. --- Исходное сообщение --- От кого: "Conrad PA5Y via Moon"  <moon at moonbounce.info (mailto:moon at moonbounce.info)>  Дата: 2 декабря 2020, 10:48:09 Hello Russ no I did think it through but on my original email I forgot to mention the 3 categories, CW/SSB, MIXED and DIGI. Personally, I am happy with the rules as they are but when I move up to 70 and 23cms I would like to be able to compete in a mixed section. I am happy to have both CW and DIGI QSOs. Unless I misunderstood that is currently not possible. I was attempting to keep the peace. Not all CW operators are opposed to DIGI QSOs. What will be will be. Regards Conrad PA5Y ________________________________ From: Russ  <k2txb at comcast.net (mailto:k2txb at comcast.net)>  Sent: 02 December 2020 02:17 To: Conrad PA5Y  <g0ruz at g0ruz.com (mailto:g0ruz at g0ruz.com)>  Cc: 'moonbounce_info'  <moon at moonbounce.info (mailto:moon at moonbounce.info)>  Subject: RE: [Moon-Net] very unfair rules from ARRL :-( With all due respect, Conrad, I don’t think you have thought this through. By your reasoning, a CW station should be awarded more points because it is harder to make contacts with CW. By that reasoning, I should get more points when I work a station running a single Yagi antenna and 300 watts, than when I work an easy contact with a guy running a KW and 4 antennas. And by that reasoning there is no end. Should a guy with a small setup have a point advantage because it is harder to make contacts. Should HB9Q get a point penalty because it is so easy for him to work many stations? How about those of us who live in a high noise urban or city area – certainly the rules are ‘unfair’ for them… No, the rules are the rules, and everyone is treated equally. That is fair. 73, Russ K2TXB From: Moon-net  <moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com (mailto:moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com)>  On Behalf Of Conrad PA5Y via Moon-net Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2020 9:35 AM To: 'moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com (mailto:moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com)'  <moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com (mailto:moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com)>  Cc: moonbounce_info  <moon at moonbounce.info (mailto:moon at moonbounce.info)>  Subject: Re: [Moon-Net] very unfair rules from ARRL :-( As one who is active on 2m I have no choice but to use JT65B during the ARRL contest. I totally agree with Jac that incentives for CW and SSB contacts would be of great benefit. As it stands there is no incentive whatsoever for CW QSOs on 2m and that is a shame, because I could have CW QSOs and would like to. I have always preferred CW but there is no one to work on 2m anymore. I am looking forward to getting on 70cms and 23cms next year! In keeping with the current ARRL scoring of 100pts per QSO I suggest: DIGI 100pts CW 200pts SSB 300pts Then a mixed mode contest would make much more sense. I urge the ARRL to consider this, it would retain people who prefer CW and reward those who have built good enough stations to have SSB QSOs. At the very least SSB and CW should be differentiated from DIGI QSOs. The level of difficulty should be rewarded. 73 Conrad PA5Y _______________________________________________ Moon mailing list  Moon at moonbounce.info (mailto:Moon at moonbounce.info)   http://moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon  Join  eQSL.cc (http://eQSL.cc)   https://eqsl.cc/qslcard/Index.cfm  _______________________________________________ Moon mailing list  Moon at moonbounce.info (mailto:Moon at moonbounce.info)   http://moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon  Join  eQSL.cc (http://eQSL.cc)   https://eqsl.cc/qslcard/Index.cfm   
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From valter_dls at yahoo.it  Wed Dec  2 14:33:37 2020
From: valter_dls at yahoo.it (valter dolso)
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 13:33:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Moon] Arrl Ik1fji result
References: <600792527.379094.1606916017355.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <600792527.379094.1606916017355@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi All
I was qrv in the contest, only CW/SSB on 1296, Lot of fun, Unfortunately  Saturday evening the wind picked up, so I must qrt  , again qrv on sunday evening for try to increase the score..I had 61 cw/ssb qso's with some dupes, sri for some stations that I only sent QRZ, no enough signals for my dish, lost also some big stations !!Tnx all qrv in the contest...
                                                                                          73, Valter IK1FJI
3.2 Meter dish  TH327  rx LNA >34db < 0.3NF   EA4TX tracking  TS2000X

From Ben at sm6cku.se  Wed Dec  2 15:36:49 2020
From: Ben at sm6cku.se (SM6CKU)
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 15:36:49 +0100
Subject: [Moon] EME Contests
Message-ID: <29D73C158E9146D2B2C7F9E6B6511E5C@Turist22>

I have been a HAM for 60 years, a professional radio operator for more than 20 years and I have been on EME since 1975, so I feel qualified to comment on EME contests. Before the digital modes became popular we were only on CW and/or SSB.  It was easy and there were no chat rooms available, not even a SDR. You tried to work everyone heard and it was lot of fun. 

Now, with digital modes, chat rooms and SDR’s, it all changed. That’s why I don’t compete today.  CW/SSB should be one class and Digi-modes another one, regardless of bands. The important issue is about the chat rooms, should they be allowed or not? In my world you cannot call it a contest if some stations are using the chat room, others not. Bob, KA1GT, suggested that ARRL could change the contest to Activity Weekends, and that is fine with me, but there are already a lot of them. Otherwise I agree 100% with Bob.

CW vs Digi-modes is no issue for me, I will be where the activity is. But if we want to continue with contests they should be separated! What about chat rooms in contests? I don’t think you can close them during a contest, so what to do? How many digi-QSO’s will be made without them?

Don’t get me wrong, I use the logger all the time, not for completing a QSO but I often announce my presence. My challenge, with a reasonably “big” station on 23cm, is to work those who are new to EME and others with small antennas or low power, who just want to work me. On other microwave bands I probably belong to the other side….

I will be around whatever you may decide – but not competing

73 de Ben SM6CKU


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From g3ltf at btinternet.com  Wed Dec  2 19:10:20 2020
From: g3ltf at btinternet.com (Peter Blair)
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 18:10:20 -0000
Subject: [Moon] EME Contests
In-Reply-To: <29D73C158E9146D2B2C7F9E6B6511E5C@Turist22>
References: <29D73C158E9146D2B2C7F9E6B6511E5C@Turist22>
Message-ID: <92D2B902EEBB45ABA0B53C2CE3D9A1B1@PeterKBlairPC5>

Interesting post Ben,
Like you as a CW op I am happy to use the logger to announce my CQ frequency 
and to give a bit of help on stuff like doppler when needed.
However you prompted me to take a look back at the history, not the 
in-out-in-out hokey-cokey of ARRL and "assisted operation", but how do the 
number of QSOs compare pre and post digital?

Take 144MHz. From 1988 to 2000 there were only 3 years when the top station 
made less than 300 QSOs. By comparison the top station in 2019 with the 
benefit of digital and SDRs and chat rooms made a total (CW+digi) of 231 ( 
in 2018 214)
For 432MHz from 1988 to 2000 the top station made over 120 QSOs, the peak 
year being 1994 with 180 QSOs. I chose 120 because in 2019 the top station 
made 121
For  1296MHz, comparisons are much more influenced by the big improvements 
in rx technology but even so, in 2000 the 100 QSO total was reached, last 
years top score was 125.

There is no question but that digital has increased interest and bought lots 
of new folk in to EME but it doesnt seem to have made much effect on the 
contest scores. To me its strange that with digtal, SDRs and chat rooms we 
seem unable to make more QSOs than in the contests than 30 years ago.
I think my stats are correct but if there are errors please point them out 
(politely).... and now I must get back to my log entry
73 Peter G3LTF


-----Original Message----- 
From: SM6CKU via Moon
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 2:36 PM
To: moon at moonbounce.info ; moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com
Subject: [Moon] EME Contests

I have been a HAM for 60 years, a professional radio operator for more than 
20 years and I have been on EME since 1975, so I feel qualified to comment 
on EME contests. Before the digital modes became popular we were only on CW 
and/or SSB.  It was easy and there were no chat rooms available, not even a 
SDR. You tried to work everyone heard and it was lot of fun.

Now, with digital modes, chat rooms and SDR’s, it all changed. That’s why I 
don’t compete today.  CW/SSB should be one class and Digi-modes another one, 
regardless of bands. The important issue is about the chat rooms, should 
they be allowed or not? In my world you cannot call it a contest if some 
stations are using the chat room, others not. Bob, KA1GT, suggested that 
ARRL could change the contest to Activity Weekends, and that is fine with 
me, but there are already a lot of them. Otherwise I agree 100% with Bob.

CW vs Digi-modes is no issue for me, I will be where the activity is. But if 
we want to continue with contests they should be separated! What about chat 
rooms in contests? I don’t think you can close them during a contest, so 
what to do? How many digi-QSO’s will be made without them?

Don’t get me wrong, I use the logger all the time, not for completing a QSO 
but I often announce my presence. My challenge, with a reasonably “big” 
station on 23cm, is to work those who are new to EME and others with small 
antennas or low power, who just want to work me. On other microwave bands I 
probably belong to the other side….

I will be around whatever you may decide – but not competing

73 de Ben SM6CKU


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From donhawbaker at comcast.net  Wed Dec  2 22:13:23 2020
From: donhawbaker at comcast.net (Don Hawbaker)
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 16:13:23 -0500
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-Net]  EME Contests
In-Reply-To: <92D2B902EEBB45ABA0B53C2CE3D9A1B1@PeterKBlairPC5>
Message-ID: <43da9c4b-c456-4489-850b-bdf4a6e416bb@iPhone>

      
  

 When the pool of operators is for instance only 100 and you worked all of them, there is no way to increase you score despite chat rooms or digital technology or anything else.    There is nothing more you can do, so I spent hours and hours just waiting for someone new to come on.
  

  
So let’s divide up the weekends so we can work more bands.
  
  
  
    
  

  
  
>   
> On Dec 2, 2020 at 2:16 PM,  <Peter Blair via Moon-net (mailto:moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com)>  wrote:
>   
>   
>   
>  Interesting post Ben, Like you as a CW op I am happy to use the logger to announce my CQ frequency and to give a bit of help on stuff like doppler when needed. However you prompted me to take a look back at the history, not the in-out-in-out hokey-cokey of ARRL and "assisted operation", but how do the number of QSOs compare pre and post digital? Take 144MHz. From 1988 to 2000 there were only 3 years when the top station made less than 300 QSOs. By comparison the top station in 2019 with the benefit of digital and SDRs and chat rooms made a total (CW+digi) of 231 ( in 2018 214) For 432MHz from 1988 to 2000 the top station made over 120 QSOs, the peak year being 1994 with 180 QSOs. I chose 120 because in 2019 the top station made 121 For 1296MHz, comparisons are much more influenced by the big improvements in rx technology but even so, in 2000 the 100 QSO total was reached, last years top score was 125. There is no question but that digital has increased interest and bought  lots of new folk in to EME but it doesnt seem to have made much effect on the contest scores. To me its strange that with digtal, SDRs and chat rooms we seem unable to make more QSOs than in the contests than 30 years ago. I think my stats are correct but if there are errors please point them out (politely).... and now I must get back to my log entry 73 Peter G3LTF -----Original Message----- From: SM6CKU via Moon Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 2:36 PM To: moon at moonbounce.info ; moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com Subject: [Moon] EME Contests I have been a HAM for 60 years, a professional radio operator for more than 20 years and I have been on EME since 1975, so I feel qualified to comment on EME contests. Before the digital modes became popular we were only on CW and/or SSB. It was easy and there were no chat rooms available, not even a SDR. You tried to work everyone heard and it was lot of fun. Now, with digital modes, chat rooms and SDR’s, it all changed. That’s why  I don’t compete today. CW/SSB should be one class and Digi-modes another one, regardless of bands. The important issue is about the chat rooms, should they be allowed or not? In my world you cannot call it a contest if some stations are using the chat room, others not. Bob, KA1GT, suggested that ARRL could change the contest to Activity Weekends, and that is fine with me, but there are already a lot of them. Otherwise I agree 100% with Bob. CW vs Digi-modes is no issue for me, I will be where the activity is. But if we want to continue with contests they should be separated! What about chat rooms in contests? I don’t think you can close them during a contest, so what to do? How many digi-QSO’s will be made without them? Don’t get me wrong, I use the logger all the time, not for completing a QSO but I often announce my presence. My challenge, with a reasonably “big” station on 23cm, is to work those who are new to EME and others with small antennas or low power, who just want to work me. On other microwave bands I probably belong to the other side…. I will be around whatever you may decide – but not competing 73 de Ben SM6CKU -- Detta e-postmeddelande har sökts igenom efter virus med antivirusprogram från Avast. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ Moon mailing list Moon at moonbounce.info http://moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon Join eQSL.cc https://eqsl.cc/qslcard/Index.cfm _______________________________________________ Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html  
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From sm4ive at telia.com  Thu Dec  3 07:34:19 2020
From: sm4ive at telia.com (Lars Pettersson)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2020 07:34:19 +0100
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-Net] EME Contests
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Seems you are affraid of show your call sign WA3RGQ

There is a big chance to work more stations then 100

1993 i worked 194 stations on 432 cw only       today one can be happy 
if you can do 30 or more

2010 i wkd 117 on 23 cm  if more of the dodlers did cw it would have 
been significant higher

Take a look on this https://www.qsl.net/ct1dmk/eme_stat.html         How 
JT did killed 144 Mhz EME  CW

Lars SM4IVE


Den 2020-12-02 kl. 22:13, skrev Don Hawbaker via Moon:
>        
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>
>   When the pool of operators is for instance only 100 and you worked all of them, there is no way to increase you score despite chat rooms or digital technology or anything else.    There is nothing more you can do, so I spent hours and hours just waiting for someone new to come on.
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> So let’s divide up the weekends so we can work more bands.
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>> On Dec 2, 2020 at 2:16 PM,  <Peter Blair via Moon-net (mailto:moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com)>  wrote:
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>>   Interesting post Ben, Like you as a CW op I am happy to use the logger to announce my CQ frequency and to give a bit of help on stuff like doppler when needed. However you prompted me to take a look back at the history, not the in-out-in-out hokey-cokey of ARRL and "assisted operation", but how do the number of QSOs compare pre and post digital? Take 144MHz. From 1988 to 2000 there were only 3 years when the top station made less than 300 QSOs. By comparison the top station in 2019 with the benefit of digital and SDRs and chat rooms made a total (CW+digi) of 231 ( in 2018 214) For 432MHz from 1988 to 2000 the top station made over 120 QSOs, the peak year being 1994 with 180 QSOs. I chose 120 because in 2019 the top station made 121 For 1296MHz, comparisons are much more influenced by the big improvements in rx technology but even so, in 2000 the 100 QSO total was reached, last years top score was 125. There is no question but that digital has increased interest and bought  lots of new folk in to EME but it doesnt seem to have made much effect on the contest scores. To me its strange that with digtal, SDRs and chat rooms we seem unable to make more QSOs than in the contests than 30 years ago. I think my stats are correct but if there are errors please point them out (politely).... and now I must get back to my log entry 73 Peter G3LTF -----Original Message----- From: SM6CKU via Moon Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 2:36 PM To: moon at moonbounce.info ; moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com Subject: [Moon] EME Contests I have been a HAM for 60 years, a professional radio operator for more than 20 years and I have been on EME since 1975, so I feel qualified to comment on EME contests. Before the digital modes became popular we were only on CW and/or SSB. It was easy and there were no chat rooms available, not even a SDR. You tried to work everyone heard and it was lot of fun. Now, with digital modes, chat rooms and SDR’s, it all changed. That’s why  I don’t compete today. CW/SSB should be one class and Digi-modes another one, regardless of bands. The important issue is about the chat rooms, should they be allowed or not? In my world you cannot call it a contest if some stations are using the chat room, others not. Bob, KA1GT, suggested that ARRL could change the contest to Activity Weekends, and that is fine with me, but there are already a lot of them. Otherwise I agree 100% with Bob. CW vs Digi-modes is no issue for me, I will be where the activity is. But if we want to continue with contests they should be separated! What about chat rooms in contests? I don’t think you can close them during a contest, so what to do? How many digi-QSO’s will be made without them? Don’t get me wrong, I use the logger all the time, not for completing a QSO but I often announce my presence. My challenge, with a reasonably “big” station on 23cm, is to work those who are new to EME and others with small antennas or low power, who just want to work me. On other microwave bands I probably belong to the other side…. I will be around whatever you may decide – but not competing 73 de Ben SM6CKU -- Detta e-postmeddelande har sökts igenom efter virus med antivirusprogram från Avast. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _______________________________________________ Moon mailing list Moon at moonbounce.info http://moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon Join eQSL.cc https://eqsl.cc/qslcard/Index.cfm _______________________________________________ Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html
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From g3ltf at btinternet.com  Thu Dec  3 19:15:14 2020
From: g3ltf at btinternet.com (Peter Blair)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2020 18:15:14 -0000
Subject: [Moon] 432 and above EME Newsletter
Message-ID: <F7867DBA65DE47638AD8BA14C39876AC@PeterKBlairPC5>

Al, K2UYH, and Matej, OK1TEH, are working on the 432 and above EME Newsletter this weekend. Send all your news, especially about what you worked and heard in the final leg of the ARRL EME Contest, together with any technical items, to alkatz at tcnj.edu  
Previous NL can be found at http://www.nitehawk.com/rasmit/em70cm.html
73 and keep safe.
Peter, G3LTF 

From howard at g4cch.com  Thu Dec  3 19:41:53 2020
From: howard at g4cch.com (Howard Ling)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2020 18:41:53 -0000
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-Net] cabrilli logs
In-Reply-To: <CABipsT07X-aVip567Q8BVc2TyYE45ueN0ERHfmQT39BJRzZaLg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABipsT07X-aVip567Q8BVc2TyYE45ueN0ERHfmQT39BJRzZaLg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002301d6c9a3$f8637c50$e92a74f0$@g4cch.com>

Hi Earl,

 

I used this web app to convert the text file to cabrillo http://www.b4h.net/cabforms/arrleme_cab3.php

 

Then copied resulting cabrillo text file and saved where required in https://contests.arrl.org/arrlemescoresubmission.php

 

73 & GL

Howard, G4CCH

 

 

From: Moon-net <moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com> On Behalf Of Earl Shaffer via Moon-net
Sent: 03 December 2020 17:30
To: moon-net <moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com>
Subject: [Moon-Net] cabrilli logs

 

Hi All.

 

Someone, perhaps on the EME logger shared some info recently about a text to cabrilli log converter.

I've lost that info already. Can someone share it with me again? I have my contacts in DXkeeper so I might 

give it a try. I've seen a lot of weak excuses for not participating in the ARRL EME contest, so I thought I had better try to do so

and set a good example. It does nobody any good to avoid participation because there is some aspect you disagree with.

 

I'll also need to figure out the dupe sheet thing. I just used DXKeeper and looked at the dates of contact for duping. At the pace of EME contacts that worked fine for me.

 

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From valter_dls at yahoo.it  Fri Dec  4 00:24:08 2020
From: valter_dls at yahoo.it (valter dolso)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2020 23:24:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Moon] Icom IC-1275
References: <1346987971.6823855.1607037848318.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1346987971.6823855.1607037848318@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello all
Any of you use orhave used the 1275 in 23cmthe 1275 in 23cm EME? I have the 275H for the two meters since the late 80's and it works very well.I wanted to know if the 1275 has any drift problems ..?Thank you very much                                                        Valter IK1FJI

From on7eh at skynet.be  Fri Dec  4 11:58:30 2020
From: on7eh at skynet.be (on7eh)
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2020 11:58:30 +0100
Subject: [Moon] 10 pin male Jones connector type P3110CCT
In-Reply-To: <29D73C158E9146D2B2C7F9E6B6511E5C@Turist22>
References: <29D73C158E9146D2B2C7F9E6B6511E5C@Turist22>
Message-ID: <8C94881824144F758BA91BFE336FE61F@SpelierPC>

Dear,
To restore an old rotor, I have been looking for a male 10 pin (blade) 
connector Jones (cinch) type P3310CT.
It looks like this: https://www.tedss.com/2025004109
It is out of stock in EU and/or requires a VAT number.
I will be happy to pay a fair price, incl. transport for a usable connector.
Thanks,
Michel, ON7EH





From jh1krc at syd.odn.ne.jp  Fri Dec  4 17:06:40 2020
From: jh1krc at syd.odn.ne.jp (M. Watanabe)
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2020 1:06:40 +0900
Subject: [Moon] 2020 ARRL EME Contest 23cm CW
Message-ID: <5E69E58802BD98A8@msrg5011.rgserv.odn.ne.jp> (added by
 postmaster@msrg5011.rgserv.odn.ne.jp)

As usual I took part in both legs on 23cm CW only. 

Many TNX to OM's who had QSO's with me. And someone who 
could not work needs one more dB in signal strength, either power/ANT  
gain or less tree attenuation of my location. Hope to try another day!!

I think my TX/RX coax cables are somewhat deteriorated and lost a 
few more dB's these days.  SRI but no time to test and replace them. 

Total: 40 QSO's
Raw Score: 92,000 
＃:DL4DTU, K0RPT, F5KUG, PY2BS, KA1GT, WK9P, OK1KKD 
HRD: XE1XA, DL0SHF, JA6AHB. 

BTW I am looking for a round septum feed of OM6ATI/OM2AA design. 
Is it still available??  Any info is welcome. PSE let me know.


Mike JH1KRC 
 TVRO 4.4m, NL327 HPA for 500 watts at feed, HB9BBD LNA.



From apolloeme at gmail.com  Fri Dec  4 18:38:09 2020
From: apolloeme at gmail.com (Patrick Barthelow)
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2020 09:38:09 -0800
Subject: [Moon] 10 pin male Jones connector type P3110CCT
In-Reply-To: <8C94881824144F758BA91BFE336FE61F@SpelierPC>
References: <29D73C158E9146D2B2C7F9E6B6511E5C@Turist22>
 <8C94881824144F758BA91BFE336FE61F@SpelierPC>
Message-ID: <CAH1_djL=xFY_JDe5h_M4bQkACZQe4LOABOHcoc26BMjonVcVPw@mail.gmail.com>

For what it's worth,  if anyone can find a Drake TR-3 or TR-4 transceiver,
that is a "parts radio", these were the Remote VFO plug, and
even without a remote VFO, they were needed,  sticking out in the bottom
chassis panel, used because they provided a needed Jumper to the radio...
Best, 73,   Pat Barthelow AA6EG
apol <apolloeme at gmail.com>loeme at gmail.com


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On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 3:43 AM on7eh via Moon <moon at moonbounce.info> wrote:

> Dear,
> To restore an old rotor, I have been looking for a male 10 pin (blade)
> connector Jones (cinch) type P3310CT.
> It looks like this: https://www.tedss.com/2025004109
> It is out of stock in EU and/or requires a VAT number.
> I will be happy to pay a fair price, incl. transport for a usable
> connector.
> Thanks,
> Michel, ON7EH
>
>
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From ok1dfc at seznam.cz  Fri Dec  4 23:04:03 2020
From: ok1dfc at seznam.cz (Zdenek SAMEK-OK1DFC)
Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2020 23:04:03 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Moon] Fwd: 24 GHz QRV
Message-ID: <3dy.3u96.2N8GgLKhRlC.1Voh9J@seznam.cz>


>From 08:00 UT Saturday QRV 24 GHz for tests

-- 


Zdenek - OK1DFC

www.ok1dfc.com

QRV EME 144 MHz - 24 GHz

WAC 70-23-13-6-3cm

WAZ #9 - WAS 432 #29


DXCC 432 - 1296 MHz

From ok1dfc at seznam.cz  Sat Dec  5 13:35:30 2020
From: ok1dfc at seznam.cz (Zdenek SAMEK-OK1DFC)
Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2020 13:35:30 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Moon] 24 GHz QRV
Message-ID: <4H8.3u8t.2OBzqvZTk3L.1VotwI@seznam.cz>


Hi EME gang,

this morning I was working in the 24 GHz band with the DL0SHF station. By 
operating QRA64D and exchanging reports -7DB/-18DB. It was #13 JT QSO in my 
score. In the morning, in overcast skies, I listened to the moon noise at 
1.6dB/CS. The outside temperature was 3°C and the elevation was 25°. Own 
echo +10dB. I'll be QRV again tonight from 8:00 UT for potential trial 
takers. Spread is calculated at 120-190Hz. See you over the moon. For skeds 
on HB9Q - 24GHz room.

GL and 73!


-- 
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www.ok1dfc.com
QRV EME 144 MHz - 24 GHz
WAC 70-23-13-6-3cm
WAZ #9 - WAS 432 #29
DXCC 432 - 1296 MHz

From ok1dfc at seznam.cz  Sat Dec  5 14:20:59 2020
From: ok1dfc at seznam.cz (Zdenek SAMEK-OK1DFC)
Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2020 14:20:59 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Moon] 24 GHz QRV
References: <4H8.3u8t.2OBzqvZTk3L.1VotwI@seznam.cz>
Message-ID: <4IM.3u87.3NI8RG7y20d.1Vouax@seznam.cz>

Time is 20:00 UT ofcourse, sorry!

-- 
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www.ok1dfc.com
QRV EME 144 MHz - 24 GHz
WAC 70-23-13-6-3cm
WAZ #9 - WAS 432 #29
DXCC 432 - 1296 MHz


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Předmět: [Moon] 24 GHz QRV 
"
Hi EME gang,

this morning I was working in the 24 GHz band with the DL0SHF station. By 
operating QRA64D and exchanging reports -7DB/-18DB. It was #13 JT QSO in my 
score. In the morning, in overcast skies, I listened to the moon noise at 
1.6dB/CS. The outside temperature was 3°C and the elevation was 25°. Own 
echo +10dB. I'll be QRV again tonight from 8:00 UT for potential trial 
takers. Spread is calculated at 120-190Hz. See you over the moon. For skeds 
on HB9Q - 24GHz room.

GL and 73!


-- 
Zdenek - OK1DFC
www.ok1dfc.com
QRV EME 144 MHz - 24 GHz
WAC 70-23-13-6-3cm
WAZ #9 - WAS 432 #29
DXCC 432 - 1296 MHz
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From ulf_r_k at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  5 16:07:58 2020
From: ulf_r_k at yahoo.com (Ulf Kylenfall)
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2020 15:07:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Moon] Trying to find data for "Baldwin 515A" Shaft position encoder
References: <403840163.3032214.1607180878386.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <403840163.3032214.1607180878386@mail.yahoo.com>


Gentlemen.
I am trying to find data for a shaft encoder, mfd by Baldwin Electronics, Inc. Little Rock. Arkansas, type 515A. I have two of them, s/n 64-518 and 64-517 (I think it was). 
Possibly, the first two digits indicate year of manufacture to 1964 
which corresponds to the year in which the 25M telescope at my work was comissioned.
The encoders were replaced with other types in 1983. 
The diameter of them is 140 mm, length 90 mm and a shaft with diameter 1/2 inch.
On the bottom end is a 25 pin DSUB with 18 channels of data, GND, + and - 5V, a pin for "interrogation" and two pins for 6.3V lamp voltage.
Perhaps I can figure out if they are absolute or incremental. 
The number of channels (bits?) also indicates accuracy?
I have tried to find "Baldwin" but the only hits are a company specializing 
in marine electronics ans another one that is in the textile business.
Any hint of what became of Baldwin Electronics or linkto data is appreciated.
73
Ulf KylenfallSM6GXV

From rick1ds at hotmail.com  Sat Dec  5 19:31:26 2020
From: rick1ds at hotmail.com (Rick R)
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2020 18:31:26 +0000
Subject: [Moon] Cabrillo file conversion
Message-ID: <BN8PR03MB4740BB064BCEB6D8B1CD0B2DFAF00@BN8PR03MB4740.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>

If would be happy to help any EME station convert their log to Cabrillo and submit it. I have already done this for several EU stations who sent me various log formats. For those inquiring about the date format, it should be in text and only the month/day like this 11/28. The time should be four digits of UTC with no colon between the hours and minutes. Let me know how I can help you. Currently there are 124 logs received. I can show you the list, but you can also see it from the ARRL website, click on-the-air tab, then click on the left Contests and then click Logs Received and then when the next page comes up, scroll to International EME 2020.
Deadline for submission is 2020-12-29 23:59Z. The more logs we submit, the greater the attention from ARRL and also attracts newcomers to this exciting part of radio communication. You can still submit paper logs with a summary sheet by mail. 73, Rick K1DS
Due: 2020-12-29 23:59:59Z
124 logs received as of 2020-12-05 18:23:48




From rick1ds at hotmail.com  Sat Dec  5 21:52:25 2020
From: rick1ds at hotmail.com (Rick R)
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2020 20:52:25 +0000
Subject: [Moon] Cabrillo email correction
Message-ID: <BN8PR03MB4740732E7535272E0FC0F706FAF00@BN8PR03MB4740.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>

I was in error about the date being month/day in text. That is for the EXCEL log files when we do a conversion to Cabrillo. For logging programs that do a Cabrillo conversion, it usually comes as YYYY-MM-DD and that is fine. Rick K1DS

From ve1kg at eastlink.ca  Mon Dec  7 18:58:55 2020
From: ve1kg at eastlink.ca (Serge Szpilfogel)
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2020 17:58:55 -0000
Subject: [Moon] MAP 65 DELTA 44 & IQ+
Message-ID: <000001d6ccc2$a189c250$e49d46f0$@eastlink.ca>

Hello Friends

I have a problem withMAP65 or Delta 44 or IQ+. I only get 4db of audio
showing on MAP65. There is nothing wrong with the software. I downloaded an
old version of MAP65 same problem on window 7 desktop.

I wonder if someone using the sound card delta 44 could send me the settings
please. I suspect the sound card or the IQ+ but really I do not know.

They have been some updating on Window 7 recently. If I restored the
computer to an earlier date would that affect the MAP65 software??

Any help would be appreciated thank you

Serge VE1KG


From ok1dfc at seznam.cz  Tue Dec  8 15:34:52 2020
From: ok1dfc at seznam.cz (Zdenek SAMEK-OK1DFC)
Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2020 15:34:52 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Moon] 24 GHz QRV today
Message-ID: <6V}.3uMu.6KIfLy6rYzW.1VpuyD@seznam.cz>


Hi EME gang,

today I took advantage of the great conditions of EME communication in the 
24 GHz band. Weather favored experimentation, and so I was QRV from 09:00 
UT. Temperature 1°C, elevation at the start of operations 31° and blue clear
skies. Moon measured noise 2,4dB/CS. Connected by the operation of QRA64D to
DL0SHF -7/-14DB #13 JT and the operation of CW WA6PY O/RO #4 CW and 
California WAS, Paul was heard at peak 449. Tomorrow morning I'll be QRV 
again from 07:00 UT, unless the weather breaks. Any skeds on HB9Q.

73! and stay safe


-- 
Zdenek - OK1DFC
www.ok1dfc.com
QRV EME 144 MHz - 24 GHz
WAC 70-23-13-6-3cm
WAZ #9 - WAS 432 #29
DXCC 432 - 1296 MHz

From ve1kg at eastlink.ca  Tue Dec  8 15:53:55 2020
From: ve1kg at eastlink.ca (ve1kg at eastlink.ca)
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2020 14:53:55 -0000
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-Net] MAP 65 DELTA 44 & IQ+
In-Reply-To: <CABipsT2V6kVWDGTn0UUYZ3RNbNoZrJptUakbRPbMOasgtYeYew@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001d6ccc2$a189c250$e49d46f0$@eastlink.ca>
 <CABipsT2V6kVWDGTn0UUYZ3RNbNoZrJptUakbRPbMOasgtYeYew@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <030801d6cd71$f3a9d340$dafd79c0$@eastlink.ca>

Earl thank you for responding. I have been on EME more than 15 years & moved to digital since no one was left on CW on 144 Mhz. Digital has always been a challenge for me

Since my computer experience is somewhat suspect to say  the least. I have kept my head above water with the help of people like PA9RX & PA5Y good European friends of mine.

MAP65 & the IQ+ have worked flawlessly for many years & suddenly “Houston we have a problem” I really do not know what is the issue. Is it the computer?? Or Delta 44 or the IQ+. I have changed all the cables & connectors messed around with the Delta 44 settings but no luck.

So I am now using WSJTX until the issue is resolved which is ok but it is no MAP65

Best regards & I hope you get the election resolved SOOooN

Serge VE1KG

 

From: Moon-net <moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com> On Behalf Of Earl Shaffer via Moon-net
Sent: December 7, 2020 18:11
To: moon-net <moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com>
Subject: Re: [Moon-Net] MAP 65 DELTA 44 & IQ+

 

Hi Serge.

 

The IQ+ manual is a good starting point.

Make sure the delta44 driver is installed.

Map65

Options

I/O Devices.

select sound card.

Check +10db

select 22 6 ASIO  M-Audio Delta ASIO

sample rate 96000 hz

Make sure green mute light is not on (IQ+).

Plug in cables.

PWR RX light red on IQ+.

 

WB9UWA

 

 

On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 12:02 PM Serge Szpilfogel via Moon-net <moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com <mailto:moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com> > wrote:

Hello Friends

I have a problem withMAP65 or Delta 44 or IQ+. I only get 4db of audio showing on MAP65. There is nothing wrong with the software. I downloaded an old version of MAP65 same problem on window 7 desktop.

I wonder if someone using the sound card delta 44 could send me the settings please. I suspect the sound card or the IQ+ but really I do not know.

They have been some updating on Window 7 recently. If I restored the computer to an earlier date would that affect the MAP65 software??

Any help would be appreciated thank you

Serge VE1KG

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Detailed array photos

http://www.gm4jjj.co.uk/WB9UWA/

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From g0ruz at g0ruz.com  Tue Dec  8 17:37:31 2020
From: g0ruz at g0ruz.com (Conrad PA5Y)
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2020 16:37:31 +0000
Subject: [Moon] R&S HV supply wanted
Message-ID: <AM7P189MB101083AC32EB4BE22AD34621B5CD0@AM7P189MB1010.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hello, a bit of a long shot but I am looking for a big R&S High voltage supply type IN028. I do not want an IN026 because the voltage is too high for my application. They are very heavy so some creative shipping or collection in person (Covid restrictions permitting) will be needed.

Please contact me off list.

Regards

Conrad PA5Y


From per at per-dudek.de  Thu Dec 10 14:21:33 2020
From: per at per-dudek.de (Per Dudek)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2020 13:21:33 +0000
Subject: [Moon] 10ghz eme beacon
Message-ID: <0e28bf47-d1cb-bb43-51ba-2b0fae602547@per-dudek.de>

hi

10ghz beacon is up for test

vy73 per dk7lj


From zapp at sm2cew.com  Thu Dec 10 19:35:43 2020
From: zapp at sm2cew.com (Peter)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2020 18:35:43 +0000
Subject: [Moon] 10ghz eme beacon
In-Reply-To: <0e28bf47-d1cb-bb43-51ba-2b0fae602547@per-dudek.de>
References: <0e28bf47-d1cb-bb43-51ba-2b0fae602547@per-dudek.de>
Message-ID: <nQn3kLpXd3UCOnQn3k0AKE@v-smtpout1.han.skanova.net>

This is wonderful news Per, thanks for working hard to fix the problem.

Your 10 GHz beacon is a much appreciated and highly valued service to us all.

73, stay safe

Peter SM2CEW


At 13:21 2020-12-10, Per Dudek via Moon wrote:
>hi 10ghz beacon is up for test vy73 per dk7lj 
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From per at per-dudek.de  Fri Dec 11 05:31:59 2020
From: per at per-dudek.de (Per Dudek)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2020 04:31:59 +0000
Subject: [Moon] 10ghz eme beacon
Message-ID: <d9f64d5b-8b6d-0236-c701-6b7c95a263f4@per-dudek.de>

hi

i am so sorry,but beacon did not work good because of a prioblem with 
the waterflow sensor in the cooling System.it looks like it has a 
Problem with not moving for one month.keep you informed when working again.

vy73 per dk7lj


From ve1kg at eastlink.ca  Sat Dec 12 17:33:39 2020
From: ve1kg at eastlink.ca (Serge Szpilfogel)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2020 16:33:39 -0000
Subject: [Moon] CX600 RELAYS
Message-ID: <000701d6d0a4$8bc5fa70$a351ef50$@eastlink.ca>

I have 2 relays CX600 to give away free. They both need repairs or at least
one. They can be fixed & can be taken apart. If you want them I will be
happy to send them to anyone who will pay for shipping.

If no one is interested they will go to the garbage.

Serge VE1KG


From rick1ds at hotmail.com  Sat Dec 12 17:35:31 2020
From: rick1ds at hotmail.com (Rick R)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2020 16:35:31 +0000
Subject: [Moon] Please submit ARRL EME logs
Message-ID: <BN8PR03MB4740FFD8FA790E7BA1698051FAC90@BN8PR03MB4740.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>

There are 161 logs received to date and last year we had 194, but I am expecting more than 200. The more logs submitted, the more attention this activity receives and attracts newcomers. Even if you made only ONE QSO, please send in your log. I will assist anyone to convert a log to Cabrillo format for their entry. I have assisted several already. Deadline for log submission to ARRL is December 29. My best wishes to all for a happy holiday season. 73, Rick K1DS

From ve1kg at eastlink.ca  Sat Dec 12 18:57:02 2020
From: ve1kg at eastlink.ca (Serge Szpilfogel)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2020 17:57:02 -0000
Subject: [Moon] CX 600 RELAYS
Message-ID: <000401d6d0b0$325633e0$97029ba0$@eastlink.ca>

The relays have been spoken for.

Thank you

Serge VE1KG


From dragan9a5aa at gmail.com  Sun Dec 13 19:50:29 2020
From: dragan9a5aa at gmail.com (Miodrag Dragan Viskovic)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2020 19:50:29 +0100
Subject: [Moon] =?utf-8?q?=28no_subject=29?=
Message-ID: <CA+skhdb7zR6FtF-jcCi9A+338P3U0D6+daxBSVr7i40oWT0Cyw@mail.gmail.com>

Evo:

233798154452

From rick1ds at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 16 03:14:39 2020
From: rick1ds at hotmail.com (Rick R)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2020 02:14:39 +0000
Subject: [Moon] ARRL EME Logs
Message-ID: <BN8PR03MB474018E2D708C07EE2CEA1E2FAC50@BN8PR03MB4740.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>

We're up to 174 logs received. I have been able to assist several EME ops to convert their contest logs to Cabrillo format and submit them to ARRL with success. There are 2 more weeks for submission with the deadline of December 29. I hope that you'll all send in your contest logs and if you need any help, I'm available. Thanks and Happy Holidays to all. Rick K1DS

From g3wdg at moon-net.eu  Thu Dec 17 08:45:28 2020
From: g3wdg at moon-net.eu (Charles)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 07:45:28 +0000
Subject: [Moon] DL0SHF 10GHz Beacon
Message-ID: <15e38f91-0ed1-b63a-59a9-e8d81344e233@moon-net.eu>

Hi All

Per has asked me to provide a status report on the DL0SHF beacon, as he 
is in hospital now for an operation on his back.  He injured himself 
some weeks ago  when removing the broken (very heavy) azimuth  gearbox 
assembly.

The  gearbox has been replaced,  and the antenna tracking checked by 
monitoring sun noise for several days.  All worked perfectly.

However a small problem with a flow sensor in the water cooling system 
for the SSPA could not yet be repaired,  as Per has been unable to work 
on the system since a few days after the injury as he has been in severe 
pain.

Per hopes to have the beacon operational again within a few weeks.

I'm sure we all wish him every success with the operation,  and a speedy 
recovery!

73

Charlie G3WDG




From ve1kg at eastlink.ca  Fri Dec 18 17:05:06 2020
From: ve1kg at eastlink.ca (Serge Szpilfogel)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2020 16:05:06 -0000
Subject: [Moon] FCDP & FCDPP
Message-ID: <000a01d6d557$8ddb5140$a991f3c0$@eastlink.ca>

Hi folks since I am having problems with IQ+ or Delta44 I would like to use
a Funcube dongle. I have the FCDP & also the FCDPP which one should I use
with MAP65 the latest Version .which is V2.7 r8182

Thank you

Serge VE1KG


From qtc at kpnmail.nl  Sat Dec 19 10:58:53 2020
From: qtc at kpnmail.nl (DW Harms (Dick))
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2020 10:58:53 +0100
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-Net] G3LTF
In-Reply-To: <7F449F1CDFD143569C3363E448B8A507@Turist22>
References: <7F449F1CDFD143569C3363E448B8A507@Turist22>
Message-ID: <09a501d6d5ed$8f43a9b0$adcafd10$@kpnmail.nl>

Peter, I warmly support all the cheers to you! 

I recently lost as much as three people close to me, who fell from stairs in
the case)... So be careful my old friend, it shows how vulnerable we are!

 

Dick PA2DW

 

Van: Moon-net <moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com> Namens SM6CKU via
Moon-net
Verzonden: vrijdag 18 december 2020 22:54
Aan: g3ltf at btinternet.com
CC: moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com
Onderwerp: [Moon-Net] G3LTF

 

Peter,

 

I hope everything will work out for you and we also think about Margreth. 

Let us know when you are back home.

 

Seasons greetings

Barbro & Ben

 

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From brian at brcg4nns.org  Sat Dec 19 15:20:09 2020
From: brian at brcg4nns.org (Brian Coleman)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2020 14:20:09 +0000
Subject: [Moon] Update re G3LTF
Message-ID: <643398f8-17ec-da56-072c-066832aa3c9b@brcg4nns.org>

Hello Folks

I'm sure Peter will appreciate all the good wishes on the reflectors. I 
have just returned from the hospital to take some things for him. The 
operation was delayed until this morning but is judged to have been a 
success. When I visited he was still in the recovery area. Margaret is 
OK, needs nothing at present and knows that help is available if she 
does. Her daughter is on her way from GM. Margaret needs a rest, thanks 
all her friends for their concern and good wishes but please don't call. 
I hope Peter will be able to speak / email for himself in the next few 
days.

73 Brian G4NNS


From g3wdg at moon-net.eu  Sat Dec 19 15:29:20 2020
From: g3wdg at moon-net.eu (Charles)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2020 14:29:20 +0000
Subject: [Moon] Update re G3LTF
In-Reply-To: <643398f8-17ec-da56-072c-066832aa3c9b@brcg4nns.org>
References: <643398f8-17ec-da56-072c-066832aa3c9b@brcg4nns.org>
Message-ID: <b68ada49-fcfa-7145-d76a-17787fa089d3@moon-net.eu>

Hi Brian

Thanks for passing on the good news.

73

Charlie

On 19/12/2020 14:20, Brian Coleman via Moon wrote:
> Hello Folks
>
> I'm sure Peter will appreciate all the good wishes on the reflectors. 
> I have just returned from the hospital to take some things for him. 
> The operation was delayed until this morning but is judged to have 
> been a success. When I visited he was still in the recovery area. 
> Margaret is OK, needs nothing at present and knows that help is 
> available if she does. Her daughter is on her way from GM. Margaret 
> needs a rest, thanks all her friends for their concern and good wishes 
> but please don't call. I hope Peter will be able to speak / email for 
> himself in the next few days.
>
> 73 Brian G4NNS
>
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From john at g4bao.com  Sat Dec 19 15:30:25 2020
From: john at g4bao.com (g4bao)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2020 14:30:25 +0000
Subject: [Moon] Update re G3LTF
In-Reply-To: <643398f8-17ec-da56-072c-066832aa3c9b@brcg4nns.org>
References: <643398f8-17ec-da56-072c-066832aa3c9b@brcg4nns.org>
Message-ID: <CAPtvDLXar3D1n_QWY-T88R45kWVJTFR1FsN6aO7ucGzB_k0TDA@mail.gmail.com>

Great news Brian! Send him our very best.

On Sat, 19 Dec 2020, 14:21 Brian Coleman via Moon, <moon at moonbounce.info>
wrote:

> Hello Folks
>
> I'm sure Peter will appreciate all the good wishes on the reflectors. I
> have just returned from the hospital to take some things for him. The
> operation was delayed until this morning but is judged to have been a
> success. When I visited he was still in the recovery area. Margaret is
> OK, needs nothing at present and knows that help is available if she
> does. Her daughter is on her way from GM. Margaret needs a rest, thanks
> all her friends for their concern and good wishes but please don't call.
> I hope Peter will be able to speak / email for himself in the next few
> days.
>
> 73 Brian G4NNS
>
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From rick1ds at hotmail.com  Sun Dec 20 02:33:13 2020
From: rick1ds at hotmail.com (Rick R)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 01:33:13 +0000
Subject: [Moon] 10 days to submit ARRL EME logs
Message-ID: <BN8PR03MB4740E22575C564EF365121F1FAC10@BN8PR03MB4740.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>

Due: 2020-12-29 23:59:59Z
191 logs received as of 2020-12-20 01:18:52
Please, please, please--send us a holiday gift of your ARRL EME contest log. It would be terrific to have everyone submit. I know there are a few QRO stations that are not yet in and hope they will make their submissions soon. Even if you have a small log, participation counts. I have even helped an op with just 1 QSO to submit. For all of you who have already submitted, you have my thanks. I have assisted quite a few stations in converting their logs to Cabrillo format and submitting, so if there is any problem, I can assist. I know all of you are concerned with G3LTF Peter's condition and I too share your thoughts and prayers for him for a speedy recovery. Immunization has just started here and our hopes that we will soon be able to defeat the bug. Merry Christmas and Happy and Healthy New Year.  Rick K1DS

From sm7sjr at gmail.com  Sun Dec 20 23:41:04 2020
From: sm7sjr at gmail.com (Bjorn SM7SJR)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 23:41:04 +0100
Subject: [Moon] Wanted
Message-ID: <c43b44b1-5dd6-2018-1cba-49db324fd77c@gmail.com>

Hello,

I have some ideas, maybe building an EME setup for 2m and 70cm, well it 
might be a temporary setup but anyway. Any good 2m and 70cm x-pol 
antennas for sale here in europe somewhere? I thought that just maybe I 
do not need to get new antennas every time I am going to build a new setup.

I am also looking for some really nice LNAs. (IQ+ EME rev C for 2m and 
70cm would be nice, "dreaming".)

email me directly.

73 de SM7SJR, Bjorn



From branimirantolic at gmail.com  Thu Dec 24 12:24:43 2020
From: branimirantolic at gmail.com (Branimir Antolic (9A9B))
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2020 12:24:43 +0100
Subject: [Moon] REBUILD THE ARECIBO OBSERVATORY - Petitioning to the US
 Government
Message-ID: <003601d6d9e7$614876a0$23d963e0$@gmail.com>

Dear EMErs,

 

In today's SpaceWeather:

 

https://www.spaceweather.com/

 

You can find Petitioning to the US Government for Rebuild the Arecibo
observatory:

 

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/rebuild-arecibo-observatory

 

Good Luck Arecibo!

 

73 de Branimir - 9A9B

 

 

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From branimirantolic at gmail.com  Thu Dec 24 14:38:44 2020
From: branimirantolic at gmail.com (Branimir Antolic (9A9B))
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2020 14:38:44 +0100
Subject: [Moon] Happy Holidays!
Message-ID: <005601d6d9fa$19e92710$4dbb7530$@gmail.com>

Dear EME friends,

 

9A9B wish you Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas and very Happy New Year 2021!

 

Stay safe and healthy!

 

73 de Branimir - 9A9B

 

 

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From doru.yo2amu at gmail.com  Thu Dec 24 18:05:10 2020
From: doru.yo2amu at gmail.com (doru46)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2020 19:05:10 +0200
Subject: [Moon] Happy Holidays!
In-Reply-To: <005601d6d9fa$19e92710$4dbb7530$@gmail.com>
References: <005601d6d9fa$19e92710$4dbb7530$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMTWi9jKs4aTYbQyO=+_=sL9WVOzBD8YC_GAi5k5Cnp-BTAOmQ@mail.gmail.com>

Merry Christmas and A Happy New  Year 2021  !
73 de Doru, YO2AMU.

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> Dear EME friends,
>
>
>
> 9A9B wish you Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas and very Happy New Year 2021!
>
>
>
> Stay safe and healthy!
>
>
>
> 73 de Branimir - 9A9B
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From rick1ds at hotmail.com  Sat Dec 26 16:53:14 2020
From: rick1ds at hotmail.com (Rick R)
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2020 15:53:14 +0000
Subject: [Moon] Last 3 days for ARRL EME Logs
Message-ID: <BN8PR03MB474029DA891ECF80A67F4B70FADB0@BN8PR03MB4740.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>

Will wonders never cease! I see we have 223 logs received by ARRL so far--and likely a few more mailed in. FANTASTIC! Thanks to all who have made the effort to submit their logs. If there are more to be submitted, they are welcome and if anyone needs assistance in converting a log to Cabrillo format, I can assist.
Deadline Due: 2020-12-29 23:59:59Z  TNX again and Happy and Healthy New Year. Rick K1DS

From ve1kg at eastlink.ca  Mon Dec 28 15:10:33 2020
From: ve1kg at eastlink.ca (Serge Szpilfogel)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2020 14:10:33 -0000
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-Net] SSB MH-144HP or MH-200 2 meter preamp needed
In-Reply-To: <37f945561972bd38e9bb72aff0765b82@mmmonvhf.de>
References: <6865BCC29D974626A69B26D1D5B17F96.ref@NJ2RPCPC>
 <6865BCC29D974626A69B26D1D5B17F96@NJ2RPCPC>
 <37f945561972bd38e9bb72aff0765b82@mmmonvhf.de>
Message-ID: <000c01d6dd23$3550cd10$9ff26730$@eastlink.ca>

Roger I use a relay- switch 1500w which replaced my 2 cx600 from the same
company .I agree with Erwin YU1CF  Goran makes some good equipment for moon
work. My reception has improved since I took out one CX600.
Less connectors adapters & short length of coax. He also makes preamps with
filters. Check is web site.
Serge VE1KG

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From: Moon-net <moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com> On Behalf Of
E.Witt/DK5EW via Moon-net
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 08:51
To: Roger Shultz <nj2r at verizon.net>
Cc: moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com
Subject: Re: [Moon-Net] SSB MH-144HP or MH-200 2 meter preamp needed

Roger,

you might have a look here: 
https://www.antennas-amplifiers.com/2m-1500w-relay-switch-bpf-vlna-eme2-144

Excellent preamp with filter and switching box I use that as well. Good for
1.5KW.

73`s Erwin/DK5EW

Am 2020-12-27 22:03, schrieb Roger Shultz via Moon-net:
> I am in search of either of the above models of the 2 meter SSB 
> preamps.
> 
> I am building up a portable solution because the noise at the home QTH 
> has risen too much in the last year. While I suspect there may well be 
> better units available the attraction for the SSB unit is to have a 
> single feedline solution.
> 
> If anyone has one or equivalent and willing to sell please let me know 
> at nj2r at verizon.net.
> 
> Most of all, Happy New Year to all.
> 
> 73,, Roger, NJ2R
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From g3ltf at btinternet.com  Thu Dec 31 18:08:37 2020
From: g3ltf at btinternet.com (Peter Blair)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2020 17:08:37 +0000
Subject: [Moon] G3LTF back home
Message-ID: <12cc7ff4-07a8-077e-5c63-e24fc8339262@btinternet.com>

Thank you to everyone in the  EME community for their good wishes 
following my accident, they were really appreciated by myself and by 
Margaret.

I  am now back home, recovering well, but due to the needs of exercise 
and leg resting I cannot spend as much time sitting at the keyboard as I 
would wish, so please excuse a general message to everyone at this time 
rather than individual replies.

2020 has been a lousy year but let's think positive and see the glass 
half full and look forward to lots of EME DX in 2021

  Happy New Year to everyone.

vy 73 & GL,

  Peter G3LTF


From davidredmang4idr at gmail.com  Thu Dec 31 20:39:03 2020
From: davidredmang4idr at gmail.com (Dave Redman)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2020 19:39:03 +0000
Subject: [Moon] G3LTF back home
In-Reply-To: <12cc7ff4-07a8-077e-5c63-e24fc8339262@btinternet.com>
References: <12cc7ff4-07a8-077e-5c63-e24fc8339262@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <CAKFuTT-sd7mLi45FOwkBLy4r8Kfn6eJDtBvKCPCq45DotWV6JA@mail.gmail.com>

Peter
Great news for both you and Margaret
Recovery matters a lot so radio can wait a while.

Stay safe and try to enjoy the attention through recovery

All the very best to both of you for 2021

You never know we might manage a cw qso on 70cms, 23cms and hopefully soon
9cm EME

Dave
G4IDR


On Thu, 31 Dec 2020, 17:09 Peter Blair via Moon, <moon at moonbounce.info>
wrote:

> Thank you to everyone in the  EME community for their good wishes
> following my accident, they were really appreciated by myself and by
> Margaret.
>
> I  am now back home, recovering well, but due to the needs of exercise
> and leg resting I cannot spend as much time sitting at the keyboard as I
> would wish, so please excuse a general message to everyone at this time
> rather than individual replies.
>
> 2020 has been a lousy year but let's think positive and see the glass
> half full and look forward to lots of EME DX in 2021
>
>   Happy New Year to everyone.
>
> vy 73 & GL,
>
>   Peter G3LTF
>
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From ve1kg at eastlink.ca  Thu Dec 31 23:34:36 2020
From: ve1kg at eastlink.ca (Serge Szpilfogel)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2020 22:34:36 -0000
Subject: [Moon] [Moon-Net] First Alaska 33cm EME
In-Reply-To: <909530734.4632492.1609444202443@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20201231123513.d29fa82e63a80459bcd3b7439f7c3aec.7eb270ed1b.wbe@email21.godaddy.com>
 <46E53B59-0D54-4104-AC3A-2AE943C67F0C@ve7hr.ca>
 <909530734.4632492.1609444202443@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001601d6dfc5$1e95e660$5bc1b320$@eastlink.ca>

Congratulations Mike & Grant for such accomplishment .
Serge VE1KG

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From: Moon-net <moon-net-bounces at mailman.pe1itr.com> On Behalf Of WB8PFZ via Moon-net
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2020 19:50
To: moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com; mike at kl6m.com
Cc: moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com
Subject: Re: [Moon-Net] First Alaska 33cm EME

Antennas at each station? Mike



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From: VE7HR via Moon-net <moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com>
To: mike at kl6m.com
Cc: KL6M <moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com>
Sent: Thu, Dec 31, 2020 2:41 pm
Subject: Re: [Moon-Net] First Alaska 33cm EME


Congratulations to all for this accomplishment. 
Dave
VE7HR 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 31, 2020, at 11:38 AM, mike--- via Moon-net <moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com <mailto:moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com> > wrote:
> 
> VE6TA and KL6M completed the first Alaskan 33cm EME QSO last evening 
> on CW.  K5DOG and KL6M completed the first AK to TX JT65 QSO on 33cm.  
> This was with only a DownEast 40 watt amplifier at my end.
> 
> Photos of the KL6M TX equipment here: 
> https://kl6m.com/33cm/33txconv.html 
> <https://kl6m.com/33cm/33txconv.html> Reception was with a AR-5000 and
> ATF54143 W6PQL LNA
> 
> A short video of the VE6TA signal here:  
> https://kl6m.com/33cm/2020-12-30_VE6TA_33cm.mp4
> 
> I had two Motorola 300 watt bricks which were both defective so I 
> decided to try it with only 40 watts.  Grant amazingly picked out my 
> signal and gave me a 449 report and I responded with 559.
> 
> K5DOG was a whopping -14 on JT65.  A fun and successful evening.
> 
> 
> 73
> Mike, KL6M BP51dc
> http://kl6m.com/
> 
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