From peter.hansen at dk.saabgroup.com Fri May 1 10:11:52 2020 From: peter.hansen at dk.saabgroup.com (Hansen Peter) Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 08:11:52 +0000 Subject: [Moon] QRV in Dubus 3cm EME contest comming weekend Message-ID: I will be QRV during the weekend on the Dubus EME contest 3cm section. I will be on both Saturday and Sunday. 2.4meter and 300W at feed. Hope many will drop by for a qso. 73 Peter OZ1LPR Peter Hansen RF System Engineer Communication Solutions Business Area Support and Services Phone: + 45 3638 3000 Mobile: + 45 41876072 E-mail: peter.hansen at dk.saabgroup.com From pa3dzl at icloud.com Fri May 1 21:47:10 2020 From: pa3dzl at icloud.com (JdB PA3DZL de Bruijn) Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 21:47:10 +0200 Subject: [Moon] Question Shuner Termination 24Ghz? Message-ID: <7BC1F268-6A02-435F-B8C5-733FEF80A24D@icloud.com> I have a Suhner 6200.80A Termination 18 - 26.5 GHz VSWR 1.02 It is a small waveguide termination, without cooling fins. Can not find info on the max power handling? Who can tell me more? Regards, Jac, PA3DZL Sent via my iPhone From ok1dfc at seznam.cz Sat May 2 13:57:35 2020 From: ok1dfc at seznam.cz (Zdenek SAMEK-OK1DFC) Date: Sat, 02 May 2020 13:57:35 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Moon] 24 GHz activity Message-ID: <3n4.23kb.3ZqHxPfSxwn.1UhM0l@seznam.cz> Hi EME gang, LX1DB, OK1KIR and me offer to move 24 GHz activity this weekend to the Sunday, we have bad WX here, rain and gusty wind. So proposal is run 10 GHz Saturday and 24 GHz Sunday. GL to all in the DUBUS contest. -- Zdenek - OK1DFC www.ok1dfc.com QRV EME 144 MHz - 24 GHz WAC 70-23-13-3cm WAZ #9 - WAS 432 #29 DXCC 432 - 1296 MHz From brian at brcg4nns.org Sat May 2 16:38:21 2020 From: brian at brcg4nns.org (Brian Coleman) Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 15:38:21 +0100 Subject: [Moon] 24GHz on Sunday Message-ID: <651d7109-4e62-82ef-82a5-34b0f61e25f3@brcg4nns.org> Hello Folks I think the 24GHz system is fixed and will try to be QRV on Sunday. Unfortunately there's an unsolved problem with my 10GHz system on RX 73 Brian G4NNS From w5lua at sbcglobal.net Sun May 3 18:55:08 2020 From: w5lua at sbcglobal.net (w5lua at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 3 May 2020 11:55:08 -0500 Subject: [Moon] 24 GHz from Texas References: <012c01d6216b$9b5f7530$d21e5f90$.ref@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <012c01d6216b$9b5f7530$d21e5f90$@sbcglobal.net> Hello 24 GHz enthusiasts I plan to be on 24 GHz after 2230Z today. I have 15 degrees elevation at that time. Hope you guys across the pond can stay up. I will be there. Weather is great. 73 Al W5LUA EM13qc From Ben at sm6cku.se Mon May 4 09:55:09 2020 From: Ben at sm6cku.se (SM6CKU) Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 09:55:09 +0200 Subject: [Moon] WE activity report Message-ID: <4C66A286EFA6421C9E97F5B6FD70ABC4@Turist22> Saturday was lost, bad WX, but Sunday gave us sunshine, so the 10G-box was installed. I also have some tracking issues with the 4m dish (EL). Some limitation on operating time due to our wedding anniversary but the following stations were worked: HB9BHU, OH2DG, SA6BUN, OK1CA, OZ1LPR, IW2FZR and ES5PC on CW. IZ4BFA (1,2m dish 8w) and OK1CA were worked on QRA64D. On April 28 I worked DG5CST (strong) on CW and 4X1AJ, AA4MD, IK1FJI, UA6AH and PA3FXB on JT65c. 73 de SM6CKU -- Detta e-postmeddelande har sökts igenom efter virus med antivirusprogram från Avast. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From dan at hb9q.ch Tue May 5 21:56:26 2020 From: dan at hb9q.ch (dan at hb9q.ch) Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 21:56:26 +0200 Subject: [Moon] SV5/HB9CRQ microwave DXpedition postponed to 2021! Message-ID: <000001d62317$437bdfe0$ca739fa0$@hb9q.ch> Dear friends We are very sorry to inform you, that we are forced to POSTPONE our May 2020 DXpedition to Rhodes due to our flight was canceled and there still is a 2 weeks quarantine in Rhodes if you arrive from abroad. But now the GOOD NEWS! We have already reserved/payed for the QTH and we changed our flight tickets to May 2021. So we will be in SV5 in MAY 2021! We will send out detailed information this summer. But make sure you are home and QRV 14./15./16./ and 21./22./23. May 2021! Take care and keep safe! Vy 73, Dan HB9Q for the SV5/HB9CRQ Team From g3ltf at btinternet.com Tue May 5 22:34:50 2020 From: g3ltf at btinternet.com (Peter Blair) Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 21:34:50 +0100 Subject: [Moon] 432MHz and Above EME Newsletter Message-ID: <6761B2FE775243CA8A1B71473F34876F@PeterKBlairPC5> Al K2UYH and Matej OK1TEH were not able to get the NL out before the Dubus / REF 10368MHz and above contest weekend but they are now working towards next weekend. So, the good news is that there is time to get the news in about all your activity on the high microwaves last weekend, together with any technical items, to alkatz at tcnj.edu Previous NL can be found at http://www.nitehawk.com/rasmit/em70cm.html GL, 73 Peter G3LTF From ve1kg at eastlink.ca Fri May 8 17:39:10 2020 From: ve1kg at eastlink.ca (Serge Szpilfogel) Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 15:39:10 -0000 Subject: [Moon] LNA WANTED FOR 144MHZ Message-ID: <000901d6254e$d1929650$74b7c2f0$@eastlink.ca> Hi folks I am looking for an LNA with a NF less than 0.6db for a friend of mine in Russia if you have one I will buy it from you. A WA2ODO LNA would be welcome of course Thank you Serge VE1KG From phil.m974 at gmail.com Fri May 8 18:29:25 2020 From: phil.m974 at gmail.com (Philippe Mondon) Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 20:29:25 +0400 Subject: [Moon] Marconi 2030 signal generator display Message-ID: Hello Friends, Hope this email finds you well and healthy! I have a major tool here that is having trouble. The Marconi 2030 10Khz to 1.35Ghz generator. The LCD EPSON ECM-A0310 is showing backlight, but no information will be visible on the display. After investigation, the display itself seems faulty. I wonder if you maybe had same effect on your generator and fixed the problem, or where to find a second hand working display??? So bad to get this generator out of work just for a display. Any help HIGHLY appreciated!... Stay safe! Phil - FR5DN From pa3dzl at icloud.com Fri May 8 20:57:24 2020 From: pa3dzl at icloud.com (Jac de Bruijn) Date: Fri, 08 May 2020 18:57:24 -0000 Subject: [Moon] PA3DZL 10GHz activity report Message-ID: Hello EME friends, I had a very nice time on 10GHz. Very nice signals and beautiful echoes. During the Dubus EME contest i was only QRV on Sunday the 3rd of May. Worked in CW: JA4BLC X-band, SA6BUN #, SP3XBO #, OK1CA, SP2HMR #, OZ1LPR, IW2FZR, HB9BHU, UR5LX, ES5PC, 9A5AA, OH2DG, PAØBAT and OK2AQ for a total of 14 QSOs. Heard were: JF3HUC and OZ1FF On Sunday 3rd of May i worked in QRA64D: F5VKQ #, I4TTZ #, PAØBAT and IK6CAK # On Monday 4th of May i worked in QRA64D: HB9DUK #,IZ4BFA # and SM6CKU On Tuesday 5th of May i worked in CW: DB6NT and UA3TCF                                                             SSB: DB6NT with very nice 54/54 signals                                                             QRA64D: SM6CKU My rig: 3.7m Andrew solid dish, 60W@ feed and 0.6dB NF Moonnoise measured on 4th of May at 2015 UTC: 1.8dB 73s de Jac, PA3DZL From ve1kg at eastlink.ca Sat May 9 14:18:05 2020 From: ve1kg at eastlink.ca (Serge Szpilfogel) Date: Sat, 9 May 2020 12:18:05 -0000 Subject: [Moon] LNA FOR 144MHZ Message-ID: <000b01d625fb$e4596090$ad0c21b0$@eastlink.ca> Thank you folks I was overwhelmed with the number of offers made. I will forward to Igor RU3GX the options available to him. I was pleased to hear that the W6PQL website Is very popular in Russia according to Igor. Thank you again Serge VE1KG From i5wbe at i5wbe.it Sat May 9 17:22:19 2020 From: i5wbe at i5wbe.it (Enrico Baldacci) Date: Sat, 9 May 2020 17:22:19 +0200 Subject: [Moon] Results of ARI EME TROPHY Spring Section 2019 Message-ID: <5bbb9d75-8c00-3e8a-db7b-8f58c503a5f4@i5wbe.it> Hello EMEr's You can find the Results of ARI EME TROPHY Spring Section 2020 at this link http://www.eme2008.org/ari-eme/Results%20Trophy%20Spring%202020.pdf or http://ari.it/eme/classifiche.html See You Autumn Session Sepember 19th-20th 2020, valid for Annual ARI EME Trophy 73' de Enrico i5wbe From i5wbe at i5wbe.it Sat May 9 17:24:58 2020 From: i5wbe at i5wbe.it (Enrico Baldacci) Date: Sat, 9 May 2020 17:24:58 +0200 Subject: [Moon] Results of ARI EME TROPHY Spring Section 2020 Message-ID: Hello EMEr's You can find the Results of ARI EME TROPHY Spring Section 2020 at this link http://www.eme2008.org/ari-eme/Results%20Trophy%20Spring%202020.pdf or http://ari.it/eme/classifiche.html See You Autumn Session Sepember 19th-20th 2020, valid for Annual ARI EME Trophy 73' de Enrico i5wbe From w8bya at mchsi.com Sat May 9 17:47:32 2020 From: w8bya at mchsi.com (Gedas) Date: Sat, 9 May 2020 11:47:32 -0400 Subject: [Moon] [Moon-Net] LNA WANTED FOR 144MHZ In-Reply-To: <000901d6254e$d1929650$74b7c2f0$@eastlink.ca> References: <000901d6254e$d1929650$74b7c2f0$@eastlink.ca> Message-ID: https://vhfdesign.com/category/lna Gedas, W8BYA EN70JT Gallery at http://w8bya.com Light travels faster than sound.... This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak. On 5/8/2020 11:39 AM, Serge Szpilfogel via Moon-net wrote: > > Hi folks I am looking for an LNA with a NF less than 0.6db for a > friend of mine in Russia if you have one I will buy it from you. A > WA2ODO LNA would be welcome of course > > Thank you > > Serge VE1KG > > > _______________________________________________ > Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html > From g0ruz at g0ruz.com Sun May 10 15:31:19 2020 From: g0ruz at g0ruz.com (Conrad PA5Y) Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 13:31:19 +0000 Subject: [Moon] [Magic Band EME] KB8RQ SK In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Dave, anybody who has been on EME for any length of time will be very sad to hear about Gary. He was one of the two US EME beacons on 2m along with Dave W5UN. He was indeed a passionate moon-bounce enthusiast extraordinaire. Rest in peace Gary, I will never forget you. 73 Conrad PA5Y/G0RUZ/G6ZTU all calls in KB8RQ log From: magiceme at googlegroups.com On Behalf Of David J. Schmocker Sent: 10 May 2020 15:22 To: magiceme at googlegroups.com Subject: [Magic Band EME] KB8RQ SK Dear friends: It is with heavy heart I share that Gary Crabtree, KB8RQ (age 77) of Brookville, OH is a Silent Key (9 May). A close friend and passionate moon-bounce enthusiast extraordinaire, Gary confirmed 247 DXCC 2m countries (top world score). Gary also had a good (4 x 9) 6m presence. He was a kind, graceful, helpful friend to all: especially others who shared EME interest. Gary and I shared a common birthday (25 Nov). Those who attended Dayton Hamvention remember the special EME gatherings Gary and Barbara hosted at their home selflessly sharing fantastic food and fellowship. We’re going to miss him. When you next operate EME and orient your antennas toward the moon, please remember our friend Gary. 73, God Bless Dave KJ9I -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MagicEME" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to MagicEME+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/MagicEME/fc5d9392-95aa-dd3b-8fcd-dce4eb76e1a8%40charter.net. --> From kj9idave at charter.net Sun May 10 15:23:50 2020 From: kj9idave at charter.net (David J. Schmocker) Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 08:23:50 -0500 Subject: [Moon] KB8RQ SK Message-ID: <6d05372b-7830-7329-9d10-515d22410482@charter.net> Dear friends: It is with heavy heart I share that Gary Crabtree, KB8RQ (age 77) of Brookville, OH is a Silent Key (9 May). A close friend and passionate moon-bounce enthusiast extraordinaire, Gary confirmed 247 DXCC 2m countries (top world score).   Gary also had a good (4 x 9) 6m presence. He was a kind, graceful, helpful friend to all: especially others who shared EME interest.Gary and I shared a common birthday (25 Nov).Those who attended Dayton Hamvention remember the special EME gatherings Gary and Barbara hosted at their home selflessly sharing fantastic food and fellowship.We’re going to miss him.When you next operate EME and orient your antennas toward the moon, please remember our friend Gary.73,God Bless Dave KJ9I From ve1kg at eastlink.ca Sun May 10 21:30:37 2020 From: ve1kg at eastlink.ca (ve1kg at eastlink.ca) Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 19:30:37 -0000 Subject: [Moon] KB8RQ Gary Message-ID: <003401d62701$7bb4def0$731e9cd0$@eastlink.ca> I was incredibly sad to learn that Gary has left us. He was the first station I ever worked on EME, almost 20 years ago, on CW. For me as a beginner, and living far from other moonbouncers, I benefitted enormously from his generous and constant help. He designed my four-antenna system, taking outstanding care with all measurements and making sure it would stand up to local oceanside conditions. This system has survived two hurricanes and is working well to this day. I owe him an extreme debt of gratitude. I regret that I was not in close touch with him recently due to my wife's passing. He was an outstanding man, a mentor, and a friend to us all. I will miss him and hope he will see our signals when we beam to the moon. My deepest sympathies to his wife Barb, his son Ken, and family. Serge VE1KG From ok1teh at seznam.cz Mon May 11 00:32:09 2020 From: ok1teh at seznam.cz (Matej Petrzilka) Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 00:32:09 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Moon] KB8RQ SK Message-ID: <9Y5.rtb7.2hDI9LcmlxM.1Uk83f@seznam.cz> Hi all, I'm sorry to hear such a sad news, 2m EME will not remain the same. He brought big happiness to lot of stations who worked him as the first EME QSO and the first US station (including me). We lost great friend, DXer and true EME pioneer. May Gary rest in peace, my deepest condolence to his family and friends.. Matej, OK1TEH From sp7dcs at wp.pl Mon May 11 16:48:48 2020 From: sp7dcs at wp.pl (Chris SP7DCS) Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 16:48:48 +0200 Subject: [Moon] KB8RQ Message-ID: <6741fc00-b5c4-cef8-833a-6be22d474b58@wp.pl> VERY SAD INFO... When I started the EME adventure  on 144MHz my cw qso with KB8RQ it was  second initials. At the time my call was SP4DCS. RIP Gary Chris SP7DCS From ve1kg at eastlink.ca Mon May 11 16:52:11 2020 From: ve1kg at eastlink.ca (Serge Szpilfogel) Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 14:52:11 -0000 Subject: [Moon] LNA FOR 144MHZ WITH 30DB GAIN Message-ID: <000001d627a3$c077d680$41678380$@eastlink.ca> Hi folks I am looking for a LNA with good N/F but more important with a gain of 30db. Most of my LNA's I have are between 23db/26db I have 120Feet of good coax then it goes to a splitter One side goes to my Icom & the other side goes to my IQ+. So right there I lose 3db then up the tower there is 2 relays connectors adapters, God knows what the loses are?? Is there anyone on this earth that can meet my needs??? The struggles goes on!!!!!! Serge VE1KG From kj9idave at charter.net Mon May 11 14:25:08 2020 From: kj9idave at charter.net (David J. Schmocker) Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 07:25:08 -0500 Subject: [Moon] thank you from family of KB8RQ Message-ID: <0c9efc6d-42e4-fc2c-9ded-b5ad32a52337@charter.net> Everyone: The family of KB8RQ (Barbara XYL and son Kent N8CUT) is truly touched by the numerous heart-felt memories of Gary KB8RQ and the photos provided to remember Gary in a special way. Thank you so much; it means a lot.   very 73, Dave KJ9I From w8bya at mchsi.com Mon May 11 18:00:27 2020 From: w8bya at mchsi.com (Gedas) Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 12:00:27 -0400 Subject: [Moon] [Moon-Net] LNA FOR 144MHZ WITH 30DB GAIN In-Reply-To: <000001d627a3$c077d680$41678380$@eastlink.ca> References: <000001d627a3$c077d680$41678380$@eastlink.ca> Message-ID: <263b7b87-cbf7-cb55-8d2b-be0a2c61a8cf@mchsi.com> Hi Serge. Please do not take this the wrong way but I am having a hard time understanding why you need so much gain. I run 200' of heliax and have just under 1 dB of loss on 2m. So let's say your coax loss is also 1 dB and with the splitter you now have 4 dB loss. Now you have 5 dB loss. Now you have several relays and jumpers etc so worst case you might add 1 dB more loss. So you have a total of about 5-6 dB. Let's call it 6 dB just to be pessimistic about your setup. Why would a LNA with ~26 dB gain not work ok but one with 30 dB be ok?  Given your losses an LNA with ~26 dB gain would result in about 20 dB net gain at the rig.......surely that is more then enough gain esp if the LNA has a good NF of say 0.5 dB or less. What am I missing here? I honestly think you will never notice or see the difference between net ~20 dB gain and net ~24 dB except on the s-meter. But I think your final S/N between the two may be too close to even measure. Am I missing something? 73 Gedas, W8BYA EN70JT Gallery at http://w8bya.com Light travels faster than sound.... This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak. On 5/11/2020 10:52 AM, Serge Szpilfogel via Moon-net wrote: > > Hi folks I am looking for a LNA with good N/F but more important with > a gain of 30db. Most of my LNA’s I have are between 23db/26db I have > 120Feet of good coax then it goes to a splitter > > One side goes to my Icom & the other side goes to my IQ+. So right > there I lose 3db then up the tower there is 2 relays connectors >  adapters, God knows what the loses are?? > > Is there anyone on this earth that can meet my needs??? The struggles > goes on!!!!!! > > Serge VE1KG > > > _______________________________________________ > Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html > From ve1kg at eastlink.ca Mon May 11 20:05:40 2020 From: ve1kg at eastlink.ca (Serge Szpilfogel) Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 18:05:40 -0000 Subject: [Moon] LNA 144 LOW GAIN Message-ID: <000a01d627be$c7ff11a0$57fd34e0$@eastlink.ca> Thank you to all the problem is solved. The weather is improving up here today 7C/44F with high winds which makes it harder to work outside & climb my tower. I have a degradation in my RX system which I am trying to correct. As you all know there is so many variables involved which makes it even more difficult to resolved AS well I have a higher SWR on TX nothing to worry too much about 30 watts reflected out of a 1000W but this adds to my concerns hi! THERE IS SOMETHING GOING ON HI!!! Serge VE1KG From leif at sm5bsz.com Mon May 11 23:01:54 2020 From: leif at sm5bsz.com (Leif Asbrink) Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 23:01:54 +0200 Subject: [Moon] LNA FOR 144MHZ WITH 30DB GAIN In-Reply-To: <263b7b87-cbf7-cb55-8d2b-be0a2c61a8cf@mchsi.com> References: <000001d627a3$c077d680$41678380$@eastlink.ca> <263b7b87-cbf7-cb55-8d2b-be0a2c61a8cf@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <20200511230154.e1e0f2fcd4a082b935075028@sm5bsz.com> Hello Gedas and Serge, The IQ+ system may have a noise figure of 10 dB. It depends to some extent on the soundcard used. That corresponds to a noise temperature of 2900K. Assuming a 26 dB amplifier and 6 dB losses the gain from the antenna input to the IQ+ input is 20 dB or 100 times in power as well as temperature. That means that the IQ+ system would contribute 29K to the system noise temperature. The total noise temp referenced to the LNA input would be: LNA 0.5 dB NF 36K IQ+ system 29K Quiet sky 180K Antenna loss 5K Total 250K With 4 dB more gain: LNA 0.5 dB NF 36K IQ+ system 12K Quiet sky 180K Antenna loss 5K Total 233K The improvement in S/N would be 250/233 = 1.07 times or 0.3 dB Using a LNA with T=36K with 26 dB gain would give a RX system temp of 36+29=65K or system NF=0.88 dB but with 4 dB more gain the system temp would be 36+29/2.5=48K or NF=0.66 dB. Quiet sky is well below room temp so the 0.2 dB NF improvement gives a 0.3 dB S/N improvement. Near the passband edges as well as near the center soundcards are usually a bit more noisy. At those frequencies the improvement would be bigger. I would suggest a mast mounted LNA with low NF and 23 dB gain with one more amplifier in front of the splitter. The second amplifier should have limited gain and a modest NF. Maybe NF 2 dB and gain 10 dB. More gain and lower NF would not hurt as long as no strong signals cause overload. A band pass filter in front of the second LNA would eliminate saturation caused by out-of-band signals. As I understand it, Serge does not have overload problems at his QTH so there is no reason for him to make the usual compromise between sensitivity and dynamic range. 0.3 dB is not much, but if you look at the detect probability of jt65 at the threshold level would bring the decode probability up from 50% to about 63%. That would be a 25% improvement. The probabnility for a signal to be at the threshold is of course very low.... 73 Leif > Hi Serge. Please do not take this the wrong way but I am having a hard > time understanding why you need so much gain. > > I run 200' of heliax and have just under 1 dB of loss on 2m. So let's > say your coax loss is also 1 dB and with the splitter you now have 4 dB > loss. Now you have 5 dB loss. > > Now you have several relays and jumpers etc so worst case you might add > 1 dB more loss. So you have a total of about 5-6 dB. Let's call it 6 dB > just to be pessimistic about your setup. > > Why would a LNA with ~26 dB gain not work ok but one with 30 dB be ok?  > Given your losses an LNA with ~26 dB gain would result in about 20 dB > net gain at the rig.......surely that is more then enough gain esp if > the LNA has a good NF of say 0.5 dB or less. > > What am I missing here? I honestly think you will never notice or see > the difference between net ~20 dB gain and net ~24 dB except on the > s-meter. But I think your final S/N between the two may be too close to > even measure. Am I missing something? 73 > > Gedas, W8BYA EN70JT > > Gallery at http://w8bya.com > Light travels faster than sound.... > This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak. > > On 5/11/2020 10:52 AM, Serge Szpilfogel via Moon-net wrote: > > > > Hi folks I am looking for a LNA with good N/F but more important with > > a gain of 30db. Most of my LNA’s I have are between 23db/26db I have > > 120Feet of good coax then it goes to a splitter > > > > One side goes to my Icom & the other side goes to my IQ+. So right > > there I lose 3db then up the tower there is 2 relays connectors > >  adapters, God knows what the loses are?? > > > > Is there anyone on this earth that can meet my needs??? The struggles > > goes on!!!!!! > > > > Serge VE1KG > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html > > From ve1kg at eastlink.ca Tue May 12 00:48:15 2020 From: ve1kg at eastlink.ca (ve1kg at eastlink.ca) Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 22:48:15 -0000 Subject: [Moon] [Moon-Net] LNA FOR 144MHZ WITH 30DB GAIN In-Reply-To: <20200511230154.e1e0f2fcd4a082b935075028@sm5bsz.com> References: <000001d627a3$c077d680$41678380$@eastlink.ca> <263b7b87-cbf7-cb55-8d2b-be0a2c61a8cf@mchsi.com> <20200511230154.e1e0f2fcd4a082b935075028@sm5bsz.com> Message-ID: <002301d627e6$41ecaf00$c5c60d00$@eastlink.ca> Thank you OH!! Great one I will comply.I Should have done it years ago 73, Serge VE1KG -----Original Message----- From: Moon-net On Behalf Of Leif Asbrink via Moon-net Sent: May 11, 2020 21:02 To: Gedas Cc: moon at moonbounce.info; Gedas via Moon-net Subject: Re: [Moon-Net] LNA FOR 144MHZ WITH 30DB GAIN Hello Gedas and Serge, The IQ+ system may have a noise figure of 10 dB. It depends to some extent on the soundcard used. That corresponds to a noise temperature of 2900K. Assuming a 26 dB amplifier and 6 dB losses the gain from the antenna input to the IQ+ input is 20 dB or 100 times in power as well as temperature. That means that the IQ+ system would contribute 29K to the system noise temperature. The total noise temp referenced to the LNA input would be: LNA 0.5 dB NF 36K IQ+ system 29K Quiet sky 180K Antenna loss 5K Total 250K With 4 dB more gain: LNA 0.5 dB NF 36K IQ+ system 12K Quiet sky 180K Antenna loss 5K Total 233K The improvement in S/N would be 250/233 = 1.07 times or 0.3 dB Using a LNA with T=36K with 26 dB gain would give a RX system temp of 36+29=65K or system NF=0.88 dB but with 4 dB more gain the system temp would be 36+29/2.5=48K or NF=0.66 dB. Quiet sky is well below room temp so the 0.2 dB NF improvement gives a 0.3 dB S/N improvement. Near the passband edges as well as near the center soundcards are usually a bit more noisy. At those frequencies the improvement would be bigger. I would suggest a mast mounted LNA with low NF and 23 dB gain with one more amplifier in front of the splitter. The second amplifier should have limited gain and a modest NF. Maybe NF 2 dB and gain 10 dB. More gain and lower NF would not hurt as long as no strong signals cause overload. A band pass filter in front of the second LNA would eliminate saturation caused by out-of-band signals. As I understand it, Serge does not have overload problems at his QTH so there is no reason for him to make the usual compromise between sensitivity and dynamic range. 0.3 dB is not much, but if you look at the detect probability of jt65 at the threshold level would bring the decode probability up from 50% to about 63%. That would be a 25% improvement. The probabnility for a signal to be at the threshold is of course very low.... 73 Leif > Hi Serge. Please do not take this the wrong way but I am having a hard > time understanding why you need so much gain. > > I run 200' of heliax and have just under 1 dB of loss on 2m. So let's > say your coax loss is also 1 dB and with the splitter you now have 4 > dB loss. Now you have 5 dB loss. > > Now you have several relays and jumpers etc so worst case you might > add > 1 dB more loss. So you have a total of about 5-6 dB. Let's call it 6 > dB just to be pessimistic about your setup. > > Why would a LNA with ~26 dB gain not work ok but one with 30 dB be ok? > Given your losses an LNA with ~26 dB gain would result in about 20 dB > net gain at the rig.......surely that is more then enough gain esp if > the LNA has a good NF of say 0.5 dB or less. > > What am I missing here? I honestly think you will never notice or see > the difference between net ~20 dB gain and net ~24 dB except on the > s-meter. But I think your final S/N between the two may be too close > to even measure. Am I missing something? 73 > > Gedas, W8BYA EN70JT > > Gallery at http://w8bya.com > Light travels faster than sound.... > This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak. > > On 5/11/2020 10:52 AM, Serge Szpilfogel via Moon-net wrote: > > > > Hi folks I am looking for a LNA with good N/F but more important > > with a gain of 30db. Most of my LNA’s I have are between 23db/26db I > > have 120Feet of good coax then it goes to a splitter > > > > One side goes to my Icom & the other side goes to my IQ+. So right > > there I lose 3db then up the tower there is 2 relays connectors > > adapters, God knows what the loses are?? > > > > Is there anyone on this earth that can meet my needs??? The > > struggles goes on!!!!!! > > > > Serge VE1KG > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at > > http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html > > _______________________________________________ Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html From dan at hb9q.ch Tue May 12 10:48:09 2020 From: dan at hb9q.ch (dan at hb9q.ch) Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 10:48:09 +0200 Subject: [Moon] Q-Team JN46je microwave GRID-Expedition 23. to 31. May 2020 Message-ID: <018701d6283a$1100d610$33028230$@hb9q.ch> Hi All We are very happy to announce our NEW spring Q-Team GRID-Expedition! Due to the worldwide Covid-19 situation we had to postpone our SV5 DXpedition to May 2021 (more information in summer). In HB9 lockdown is easing-up now, so it is possible to travel within HB9. Therefor we have decided to go to our holiday home in Brione sM, south Switzerland (JN46je). As far as I know there was NO EME activity ever from JN46 on 1296, 23xx, 3400 and 5760 MHz. On 10xxx MHz HB9DUK is QRV from JN46, so several stations have worked already JN46. But for all others it is a new grid! Our holiday home is on the south slope of the Alps at 400m above sea level. We have a very nice view of the Lago Maggiore. However, still being in the mountains, our moonrise and even more our moonset are somewhat restricted. We probably lose 20° on MR and 20+° on MS. Since I never expected to be QRV from there, I do not know exactly the window, sorry. We will drive there on 16. May. So I expect to communicate the exact window by 18. May (I will post it on HB9Q webpage, mmmonvhf and the Moonnet). We have received the special license to use 2320/2304 and 3400 MHz from there (in HB9 this frequencies are not part of the regular license). Here our operation schedule: 23. May 2320.100 JT65C HB9CRQ 1st RX on own echo, 06.30z until 16.30z 2301.990 and 2400.100 (on request only, please send e-mail to dan at hb9q.ch), 2304.100 (QSY will be announced on HB9Q 23xx logger) 24. May 3400.100 JT65C HB9CRQ 1st RX on own echo, 07.30z until 17.30z 3399.990 1st (on request only, please send e-mail to dan at hb9q.ch), QSY will be announced on HB9Q 3400 logger 29. May 5760.100 QRA64D HB9CRQ 1st CFOM, 12.00z until 21.30z 30. May 10368.100 QRA64D HB9CRQ 1st CFOM , 13.30z until 21.00z 10450.100 1st (on request only, please send e-mail to dan at hb9q.ch), QSY will be announced on HB9Q 10xxx logger 31. May 1296.100 JT65C HB9CRQ 1st RX on own echo, 14.40z until 22.00z CW: Although it is on the limit, we will work CW on all bands. However only with big-guns and after the pile-up on JT/QRA is worked. Equipment: 1.5m dish 1x2mm mesh, homemade automatic az/el control 1296: 100W at feed, circular, preamp at horn 23xx: 90W at feed, circular, preamp at horn 3400: 80W at feed, circular, preamp at horn 5760: 80W at feed, circular, preamp at horn 10xxx: 50W at feed, v-pol, preamp at horn We will be using WSJT-X 2.2.0 RC1. On 23, 13 and 9cm we use JT65C with Doppler Control (“Own Echo”, in other words we listen on our own echo). On 6 and 3cm we will be using QRA64D (if necessary JT4F) including Doppler Control (“Constant Frequency On Moon” and if necessary “Full Doppler to DX Grid”). Hopefully more people take advantage of automated Doppler control. Especially on 6 and 3cm it is a MUST for successful QRP operations. We’ll have internet access. During our activities we’ll be stand-by on the HB9Q band loggers. We also will check our e-mails several times a day. How big needs your station to be to work us? On 23cm 2m dish and 150W at the feed On 13cm 2m dish and 100W at the feed On 9cm 2m dish and 50W at the feed On 6cm 1.5m dish and 80W at the feed On 3cm 0.75m solid dish with 60W at the feed QSL policy: QSL only direct including SAE to: HB9Q, P.O.Box 133, CH-5737 Menziken If you wish to sponsor our activity, you are welcome to do so by using PayPal dan at hb9q.ch (please mention your call). We are looking forward to our Grid-Expedition and hope to work many of you! Next information 18. May. Vy 73, Dan/Sue & Sam Q-Team at HB9CRQ GRID-Expediton From ve1kg at eastlink.ca Tue May 12 13:44:58 2020 From: ve1kg at eastlink.ca (ve1kg at eastlink.ca) Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 11:44:58 -0000 Subject: [Moon] LNA REAMP Message-ID: <006e01d62852$c38bb2b0$4aa31810$@eastlink.ca> Thank you to all the folks who manufacture preamps for their help & suggestions. John WB2BYP from New York state who visited with me while touring Atlantic Canada last summer just mailed me FREE of charge a Demi preamp to use as a second stage before my splitter in my RX line. Thank you all & thank you John for your gift much appreciated Serge VE1KG From branimirantolic at gmail.com Thu May 14 00:47:42 2020 From: branimirantolic at gmail.com (Branimir Antolic - 9A9B) Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 00:47:42 +0200 Subject: [Moon] KB8RQ SK Message-ID: <005401d62978$839988e0$8acc9aa0$@gmail.com> Dear Gary, Thank you for my first EME QSO 06.03.1993. Rest in peace! 9A9b - Branimir From bruinier at t-online.de Thu May 14 16:48:55 2020 From: bruinier at t-online.de (Johann Bruinier) Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 16:48:55 +0200 Subject: [Moon] KB8RQ sk Message-ID: Very sad again! I worked Gary for the first time in Nov 88 on 70cm and often heard his voice on the 20m-EME-Net, always a pleasant experience. May he R.I.P. My condolences to his family and friends. Jan  DL9KR From ve1kg at eastlink.ca Sat May 16 17:08:34 2020 From: ve1kg at eastlink.ca (ve1kg at eastlink.ca) Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 15:08:34 -0000 Subject: [Moon] [Moon-Net] New WSJT and computer question In-Reply-To: <000601d62b85$632433d0$296c9b70$@pa2v.com> References: <000601d62b85$632433d0$296c9b70$@pa2v.com> Message-ID: <000801d62b93$de58d980$9b0a8c80$@eastlink.ca> Hi ! Peter here on a window 7 I run about time & on my laptop window 10 I run a GPS receiver from China with a software called TRIMBLE.It works great as long as the receiver is close to a window. Serge ve1kg From: Moon-net On Behalf Of PA2V via Moon-net Sent: May 16, 2020 13:25 To: moon-net at mailman.pe1itr.com Subject: [Moon-Net] New WSJT and computer question Hi community. I think this is (again) the best place to ask some advice. Today I stumbled to a problem that I know it will happen one day.. I have an old Win7 laptop that I used for all kind of ham related software. VNWA's etc. My main PC in the shack is an even older tower running WinXP. That is the PC were I use WSJT on. Keying and communicating to some devices like my rotors is done via a serial (Com) port. Today I tested the new JT-X version 2.2 together with Paul W2HRO on the Win7 laptop and IC9700. During the tests we saw my clock was running behind. I use PinJockey to synchronise the clocks on all PC's. But it seems that the laptop was very busy and lost time during the tests. I thought it would be better to install the new JT-X on my tower. But it does, of course not run with Windows XP. The library on XP is too old. All computers are wired with good cabling to avoid extra noise. All together I realized that it is getting time to start with a new powerful system. Ideally I would like to run only one PC that can do all the things together that is now split over three computers. (internet goes to another laptop) Would it be possible to run WSJT10 with a soundcard together with WSJT-X via an USB connection to another rig? And how bad or easy would it be to run loggers on internet at the same time on that same PC without creating a lot of workload to the processors? I have the idea to invest some money to a fast and powerful system, but don't want to finally end up in a situation that this will not work according my demands. My shack is not very big and I really like the idea to do all on one PC with two large screens on the wall. And what would you use to keep the PC on the right time? I am not a PC freak at all. Would a gamers PC a good choice? They normally need a lot of screen handling, heavy processor load and storage. I see gaming desktops running I9 8 core processors, lots of memory capacity and big SSD drives. Together with high end videocards. In my opinion the gamers do exactly the things we do those days with our toys in the shack. I look forward to your opinion and ideas. 73, Peter PA2V From graham.d at orange.fr Sat May 16 19:24:35 2020 From: graham.d at orange.fr (g d) Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 19:24:35 +0200 Subject: [Moon] TS2000+ last bits Message-ID: <1d5a9371-abb9-c79c-2a5a-758896241c6f@orange.fr> HI someone want this ? https://www.inrad.net/product.php?productid=9&cat=38&page=1 brand new, never installed 70 Euro +post Plus this lot  below....last shack clearance before we sail away  , I've forgot the 13cm pre amp figures but they were sub 0.6 from memory ...hardly state of the art nowadays but a good second stage or fine for tropo I have pictures for all...........if someone outside of france wants the Eaton 2075 and/or the HP 54620c then you will have to arrive courier pick up EMAIL ME DIRECT DO NOT CLUTTER THE LIST......I can send ZIP files with pic for all.... Graham 'MBI, 'VHX etc etc _for sale....G8MBI / F5VHX ALL PRICES you have to add PLUS POST/ SHIPPING_ _ _ _---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------_ NF meter Eaton 2075 , good condition, fully functional, following buttons 'stick' can still be used with care but need springs replacing; smoothing up arrow + keypad '2' . Price ...400 euro --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Home made noise head 1 internal chip attenuators ENR cross calibrated to latest Agilent 8973 + head... 144 = 6.55 432=5.38 1296=4.45 Price 80 Euro ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Home made noise head 2 Not yet cross calibrated AND WON'T BE YOU CAN DO IT  , internal low value chip attn, external SMA attns 15db and 20db both already characterised on VNA. Price 80 Euro ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- lna 1 13cm atf 36077 ...as used at F5VHX rx on 4m dish ....Gain..NF forgotten. Price 60 Euro will need a second stage if for eme can't remember who design but I made own pcbs...ask for pics ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- lna 2 13cm atf 36077................Price 60 Euro will need a second stage if for eme can't remember who design but I made own pcbs...ask for pics ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ask for picture group of tin boxes 1 ......Price 20 Euro..only if bought with something else so 2 items ship ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ask for picture group of tin boxes 2......Price 20 Euro..only if bought with something else so 2 items ship --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Used Weller station wtcp50 2 used extra bits, one new bit with sponge.....Price 30 Euro. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HP54620c...Logic analyser price 50 Euro http://www.angelfire.com/la/logic/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2 stage 1296 0.5 nf  pre amp v1 as per picture 2 stage Price 90 Euro ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2 stage 1296 0.5 nfpre amp v2 as per picture 2 stage Price 90 Euro ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pair of Tohtsu cx120p Price 30 Euro ( the 2 pieces) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- High Quality Radial Relay good to >10 Ghz Price 50 Euro ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sucoflex Test cables... Price 40 Euro ( the 2 pieces ) one N male to N male, with adaptor F-F.....one N to SMA one 'jacket scuffed ' but tests fine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- big alligator jaws ...Wavetek Test cables .....Price 10 Euro....only if bought with something else ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From dragan9a5aa at gmail.com Sun May 17 12:31:27 2020 From: dragan9a5aa at gmail.com (Miodrag Dragan Viskovic) Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 12:31:27 +0200 Subject: [Moon] Transistor X33P68 data Message-ID: Hi EME friends, does anyone have data for transistor X33P68 ? Thanks in advance. Dragan 9A5AA From dan at hb9q.ch Mon May 18 10:50:56 2020 From: dan at hb9q.ch (dan at hb9q.ch) Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 10:50:56 +0200 Subject: [Moon] JN46je Q-Team microwave GRID-Expedition update 18. May 2020 Message-ID: <003201d62cf1$72e43ff0$58acbfd0$@hb9q.ch> Hi All Update: 18. May 2020 We have arrived at our holiday home in Brione sM, JN46je. Unfortunately the EME window is smaller than I expected. Due to a lot of nearby trees moonrise and moonset are restricted. I therefore have rescheduled our activity times, see below. It is difficult to tell exactly when the moon clears the tries and different branches. We will adjust the schedule after our first moonpath of 23. May. We are sorry, but our open window is between 140° and 250°, so there will be no window to Australia and Japan. South and North America are OK. Europe and Africa will be on during our full window. Here our adjusted operation schedule: 23. May 2320.100 JT65C HB9CRQ 1st RX on own echo, 10.00z until 14.30z 2304.100 (QSY will be announced on HB9Q 23xx logger). 24. May 3400.100 JT65C HB9CRQ 1st RX on own echo, 10.00z until 15.30z 29. May 5760.100 QRA64D HB9CRQ 1st CFOM, 15.45z until 21.00z 30. May 10368.100 QRA64D HB9CRQ 1st CFOM , 16.30z until 22.00z 31. May 1296.100 JT65C HB9CRQ 1st RX on own echo, 17.00z until 22.00z CW: Although it is on the limit, we will work CW on all bands. However only with big-guns and after the pile-up on JT/QRA is worked. Equipment: 1.5m dish 1x2mm mesh, homemade automatic az/el control 1296: 100W at feed, circular, preamp at horn 23xx: 90W at feed, circular, preamp at horn 3400: 80W at feed, circular, preamp at horn 5760: 80W at feed, circular, preamp at horn 10xxx: 50W at feed, v-pol, preamp at horn We will be using WSJT-X 2.2.0 RC1. On 23, 13 and 9cm we use JT65C with Doppler Control (“Own Echo”, in other words we listen on our own echo). On 6 and 3cm we will be using QRA64D (if necessary JT4F) including Doppler Control (“Constant Frequency On Moon” and if necessary “Full Doppler to DX Grid”). Hopefully more people take advantage of automated Doppler control. Especially on 6 and 3cm it is a MUST for successful QRP operations. We’ll have internet access. During our activities we’ll be stand-by on the HB9Q band loggers. We also will check our e-mails several times a day. How big needs your station to be to work us? On 23cm 2m dish and 150W at the feed On 13cm 2m dish and 100W at the feed On 9cm 2m dish and 50W at the feed On 6cm 1.5m dish and 80W at the feed On 3cm 0.75m solid dish with 60W at the feed QSL policy: QSL only direct including SAE to: HB9Q, P.O.Box 133, CH-5737 Menziken We are looking forward to work many of you! Next information 24. May. Vy 73, Dan/Sue & Sam Q-Team at HB9CRQ GRID-Expediton From ve1kg at eastlink.ca Tue May 19 21:41:57 2020 From: ve1kg at eastlink.ca (Serge Szpilfogel) Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 19:41:57 -0000 Subject: [Moon] WSPR BEACON ON 20M Message-ID: <000501d62e15$8e5fc400$ab1f4c00$@eastlink.ca> Hi ! folks I have set up a WSPR beacon on 14097.100Mghz running 250Mw to a Vertical antenna. The beacon runs for 2 minutes every 4 minutes Turn your antennas towards FN84CM. So far no one has copied me?? I may have to go to 1Watt Please let me know if any one copy. The beacon runs 24/7 73, Serge VE1KG From dl6sh-eme at online.de Tue May 19 22:13:00 2020 From: dl6sh-eme at online.de (Slawek DL6SH) Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 22:13:00 +0200 Subject: [Moon] WSPR BEACON ON 20M In-Reply-To: <000501d62e15$8e5fc400$ab1f4c00$@eastlink.ca> References: <000501d62e15$8e5fc400$ab1f4c00$@eastlink.ca> Message-ID: <85808f63-c4a5-8bad-2939-a2361c01f959@online.de> I wonder if that is related to moonbounce????? Othervice please move that to a shortwave forum.... Yes, I am working shortwave as well, but not in this forum. 73, Slawek  dl6sh Am 19.05.2020 um 21:41 schrieb Serge Szpilfogel via Moon: > Hi ! folks I have set up a WSPR beacon on 14097.100Mghz running 250Mw to a > Vertical antenna. The beacon runs for 2 minutes every 4 minutes > > Turn your antennas towards FN84CM. So far no one has copied me?? I may have > to go to 1Watt Please let me know if any one copy. The beacon runs 24/7 > > 73, Serge VE1KG > > _______________________________________________ > Moon mailing list > Moon at moonbounce.info > http://moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon > > Join eQSL.cc https://eqsl.cc/qslcard/Index.cfm From g3ltf at btinternet.com Wed May 20 15:34:57 2020 From: g3ltf at btinternet.com (Peter Blair) Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 14:34:57 +0100 Subject: [Moon] DUBUS / REF 13cm CW contest this weekend Message-ID: <1DF3F65B301E4E5F902FE079C7F1B896@PeterKBlairPC5> May 23/24 is the 13cm leg of the DUBUS / REF CW eme contest. Please see here for the rules. http://www.marsport.org.uk/dubus/EMEContest2020web.pdf I plan to be operational, 6m dish and 250W, and I had two nice QSOs earlier in the week with SA6BUN and SM2CEW. However it looks like high winds may be a problem here ( again!) on Saturday. Hope to work many of you, GL & 73. Peter G3LTF From dj3jj at gmx.net Thu May 21 00:01:36 2020 From: dj3jj at gmx.net (Andreas) Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 00:01:36 +0200 Subject: [Moon] DUBUS / REF 13cm CW contest this weekend In-Reply-To: <1DF3F65B301E4E5F902FE079C7F1B896@PeterKBlairPC5> References: <1DF3F65B301E4E5F902FE079C7F1B896@PeterKBlairPC5> Message-ID: <8C6F8F66-7336-48D9-85F5-17B3449BFA47@gmx.net> Peter I sent you an email but no answer Please put my email Adress into your contact list Andreas DJ3JJ Von meinem iPhone gesendet > Am 20.05.2020 um 15:34 schrieb Peter Blair via Moon : > > May 23/24 is the 13cm leg of the DUBUS / REF CW eme contest. Please see here for the rules. http://www.marsport.org.uk/dubus/EMEContest2020web.pdf > I plan to be operational, 6m dish and 250W, and I had two nice QSOs earlier in the week with SA6BUN and SM2CEW. However it looks like high winds may be a problem here ( again!) on Saturday. > Hope to work many of you, GL & 73. > Peter G3LTF > _______________________________________________ > Moon mailing list > Moon at moonbounce.info > http://moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon > > Join eQSL.cc https://eqsl.cc/qslcard/Index.cfm From valter_dls at yahoo.it Thu May 21 23:20:25 2020 From: valter_dls at yahoo.it (valter dolso) Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 21:20:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Moon] EME ft8 References: <401166365.2774923.1590096025009.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <401166365.2774923.1590096025009@mail.yahoo.com> Dear JoeFirst of all best wishes for your next 80 years !!It was a pleasure to meet you many years ago near Sanremo.Already then I told you that I didn't like the digital mode for EME  very much, however I understand that the technology must go on, I use the JT both in two meters now with my small 2 yagi antennas and in 23 CM, I do qso that in CW I could not do, but if I can prefer CW  !!!but also I have a fairly good station in 6 meters, but when it opens  sporadic E, few stations in CW and SSB ....... no longer young radio amateurs must also learn to speak besides learning CW ?? or is it easier or more fashionable to use 90% FT8 with 9 +++ signals?Okay, Dear friend, it will be so, we have many problems now and maybe in the future.Radio will be a Hobby, nothing else.With estimates                                                             Valter IK1FJI From dj3jj at gmx.net Fri May 22 15:10:52 2020 From: dj3jj at gmx.net (Andreas Haefner) Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 15:10:52 +0200 Subject: [Moon] EME ft8 In-Reply-To: References: <401166365.2774923.1590096025009.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <401166365.2774923.1590096025009@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Gesendet mit der GMX Mail App Am 22.05.20 um 15:09 schrieb daniela.haefner at alphafrau.de > Hi Valter > My preferred mode stays ssb... > > And the 20 years younger people i am talking to at my qrl are very impressed by ssb over abt 800 tkm > > And with my ssb eme audio recording i could motivate an OE clubstation and a VU station both on QO100 to work on becoming qrv on 23 cm EME. > > So i am still very happy that we did make this great SSB to CW qso between your 3.2 m dish and my 2.5 m dish during ALs great ssb funtest event ! > > Now i am working on my tx power and hope that we soon will have an ssb ssb contact on 23 ;0) > > Cant wait to work you in the Dubus Analog Contest > With your booming signal > > Keep relaxed my friend Valter > > 73 Andreas DJ3JJ > > Gesendet mit der GMX Mail App > > Am 21.05.20 um 23:20 schrieb valter dolso via Moon > > > Dear JoeFirst of all best wishes for your next 80 years !!It was a pleasure to meet you many years ago near Sanremo.Already then I told you that I didn't like the digital mode for EME  very much, however I understand that the technology must go on, I use the JT both in two meters now with my small 2 yagi antennas and in 23 CM, I do qso that in CW I could not do, but if I can prefer CW  !!!but also I have a fairly good station in 6 meters, but when it opens  sporadic E, few stations in CW and SSB ....... no longer young radio amateurs must also learn to speak besides learning CW ?? or is it easier or more fashionable to use 90% FT8 with 9 +++ signals?Okay, Dear friend, it will be so, we have many problems now and maybe in the future.Radio will be a Hobby, nothing else.With estimates > >                                                             Valter IK1FJI > > _______________________________________________ > > Moon mailing list > > Moon at moonbounce.info > > http://moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon > > > > Join eQSL.cc https://eqsl.cc/qslcard/Index.cfm > From dl5mae at yahoo.de Fri May 22 18:29:53 2020 From: dl5mae at yahoo.de (Wolfgang Schlaffer) Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 16:29:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Moon] EME ft8 In-Reply-To: <401166365.2774923.1590096025009@mail.yahoo.com> References: <401166365.2774923.1590096025009.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <401166365.2774923.1590096025009@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1562829820.3479686.1590164993882@mail.yahoo.com> Ciao Valter come stai? Hope all OK (more or less....!) . Just want to send some greetings to you accross to Alps! Remember the "good old times" and the nice meeting with Giacomo, Alessandro  and  Francesco a.m.o.  at Pietrosanta ... Unfortunately my 2m and 6m antennas suffering from corrosion since years....no need anymore... No need to restore... Are there already incoming proposals  for the nobel prize "DESTRUCTOR OF HAM RADIO ALL TIME " ? I guess the moderation on the other (non  freetalk moon-net ) already on? Same situation like almost 20 years ago? Ciao - stay healthy ! vy 73 de DL5MAE Wolfgang Am Donnerstag, 21. Mai 2020, 23:22:09 MESZ hat valter dolso via Moon Folgendes geschrieben: Dear JoeFirst of all best wishes for your next 80 years !!It was a pleasure to meet you many years ago near Sanremo.Already then I told you that I didn't like the digital mode for EME  very much, however I understand that the technology must go on, I use the JT both in two meters now with my small 2 yagi antennas and in 23 CM, I do qso that in CW I could not do, but if I can prefer CW  !!!but also I have a fairly good station in 6 meters, but when it opens  sporadic E, few stations in CW and SSB ....... no longer young radio amateurs must also learn to speak besides learning CW ?? or is it easier or more fashionable to use 90% FT8 with 9 +++ signals?Okay, Dear friend, it will be so, we have many problems now and maybe in the future.Radio will be a Hobby, nothing else.With estimates                                                             Valter IK1FJI _______________________________________________ Moon mailing list Moon at moonbounce.info http://moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon Join eQSL.cc  https://eqsl.cc/qslcard/Index.cfm From ik4nmf at gmail.com Sat May 23 09:06:19 2020 From: ik4nmf at gmail.com (ik4nmf) Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 09:06:19 +0200 Subject: [Moon] EME ft8 In-Reply-To: <1562829820.3479686.1590164993882@mail.yahoo.com> References: <401166365.2774923.1590096025009.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <401166365.2774923.1590096025009@mail.yahoo.com> <1562829820.3479686.1590164993882@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <91CA0623B5034A1E95789840DC0A8341@FaustoPC> Hi Wolfgang, you have my full approval for this proposal and if it is necessary to sign it, I would be happy to put my signature as high as possible. It is my opinion that the advent of digital modes has been the worst disaster for ham radio together with the abolition of the CW exam. vy 73, Fausto IK4NMF -----Messaggio originale----- From: Wolfgang Schlaffer via Moon Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 6:29 PM To: valter dolso ; Freetalk Moonnet Subject: Re: [Moon] EME ft8 Ciao Valter come stai? Hope all OK (more or less....!) . Just want to send some greetings to you accross to Alps! Remember the "good old times" and the nice meeting with Giacomo, Alessandro and Francesco a.m.o. at Pietrosanta ... Unfortunately my 2m and 6m antennas suffering from corrosion since years....no need anymore... No need to restore... Are there already incoming proposals for the nobel prize "DESTRUCTOR OF HAM RADIO ALL TIME " ? I guess the moderation on the other (non freetalk moon-net ) already on? Same situation like almost 20 years ago? Ciao - stay healthy ! vy 73 de DL5MAE Wolfgang Am Donnerstag, 21. Mai 2020, 23:22:09 MESZ hat valter dolso via Moon Folgendes geschrieben: Dear JoeFirst of all best wishes for your next 80 years !!It was a pleasure to meet you many years ago near Sanremo.Already then I told you that I didn't like the digital mode for EME very much, however I understand that the technology must go on, I use the JT both in two meters now with my small 2 yagi antennas and in 23 CM, I do qso that in CW I could not do, but if I can prefer CW !!!but also I have a fairly good station in 6 meters, but when it opens sporadic E, few stations in CW and SSB ....... no longer young radio amateurs must also learn to speak besides learning CW ?? or is it easier or more fashionable to use 90% FT8 with 9 +++ signals?Okay, Dear friend, it will be so, we have many problems now and maybe in the future.Radio will be a Hobby, nothing else.With estimates Valter IK1FJI _______________________________________________ Moon mailing list Moon at moonbounce.info http://moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon Join eQSL.cc https://eqsl.cc/qslcard/Index.cfm _______________________________________________ Moon mailing list Moon at moonbounce.info http://moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon Join eQSL.cc https://eqsl.cc/qslcard/Index.cfm -- Questa email è stata esaminata alla ricerca di virus da AVG. http://www.avg.com From graham.d at orange.fr Sat May 23 09:58:53 2020 From: graham.d at orange.fr (g d) Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 09:58:53 +0200 Subject: [Moon] EME ft8 In-Reply-To: <91CA0623B5034A1E95789840DC0A8341@FaustoPC> References: <401166365.2774923.1590096025009.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <401166365.2774923.1590096025009@mail.yahoo.com> <1562829820.3479686.1590164993882@mail.yahoo.com> <91CA0623B5034A1E95789840DC0A8341@FaustoPC> Message-ID: <03327763-3008-d096-88e9-425cabe5826e@orange.fr> Don't waste your time stressing about it;  just buy a boat and enjoy the rest of your life...between this nonsense, 3g,4g,5g and the internet your Hobby is over. Graham 'MBI/MM On 23/05/2020 09:06, ik4nmf via Moon wrote: > Hi Wolfgang, > > you have my full approval for this proposal and if it is necessary to > sign it, > I would be happy to put my signature as high as possible. > It is my opinion that the advent of digital modes has been the worst > disaster > for ham radio together with the abolition of the CW exam. > > vy 73, Fausto IK4NMF > > -----Messaggio originale----- From: Wolfgang Schlaffer via Moon > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 6:29 PM > To: valter dolso ; Freetalk Moonnet > Subject: Re: [Moon] EME ft8 > > Ciao Valter > > come stai? > Hope all OK (more or less....!) . > > Just want to send some greetings to you accross to Alps! Remember the > "good old times" > and the nice meeting with Giacomo, Alessandro  and  Francesco a.m.o.  > at Pietrosanta ... > > Unfortunately my 2m and 6m antennas suffering from corrosion since > years....no need anymore... > > No need to restore... > > Are there already incoming proposals  for the nobel prize "DESTRUCTOR > OF HAM RADIO ALL TIME " ? > > I guess the moderation on the other (non  freetalk moon-net ) already > on? Same situation > like almost 20 years ago? > > Ciao - stay healthy ! > > vy 73 de DL5MAE Wolfgang > >    Am Donnerstag, 21. Mai 2020, 23:22:09 MESZ hat valter dolso via > Moon Folgendes geschrieben: > > Dear JoeFirst of all best wishes for your next 80 years !!It was a > pleasure to meet you many years ago near Sanremo.Already then I told > you that I didn't like the digital mode for EME  very much, however I > understand that the technology must go on, I use the JT both in two > meters now with my small 2 yagi antennas and in 23 CM, I do qso that > in CW I could not do, but if I can prefer CW  !!!but also I have a > fairly good station in 6 meters, but when it opens sporadic E, few > stations in CW and SSB ....... no longer young radio amateurs must > also learn to speak besides learning CW ?? or is it easier or more > fashionable to use 90% FT8 with 9 +++ signals?Okay, Dear friend, it > will be so, we have many problems now and maybe in the future.Radio > will be a Hobby, nothing else.With estimates >                                                            Valter IK1FJI > _______________________________________________ > Moon mailing list > Moon at moonbounce.info > http://moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon > > Join eQSL.cc  https://eqsl.cc/qslcard/Index.cfm > _______________________________________________ > Moon mailing list > Moon at moonbounce.info > http://moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon > > Join eQSL.cc  https://eqsl.cc/qslcard/Index.cfm > From dfaessler at bluewin.ch Sat May 23 11:01:05 2020 From: dfaessler at bluewin.ch (dfaessler) Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 11:01:05 +0200 Subject: [Moon] EME ft8 In-Reply-To: <03327763-3008-d096-88e9-425cabe5826e@orange.fr> Message-ID: Graham is proven right: since Ford T model, all bikes have disapeared. Nobody is walking anymore.Moderators of networks are needed by idiots only.Its not our hobby over, Grahams stupid comment is obsolete in freetalk moon-netHB9CW, op HB9BBDDominiqueVon meinem Samsung Galaxy Smartphone gesendet. -------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --------Von: g d via Moon Datum: 23.05.20 10:00 (GMT+01:00) An: ik4nmf , Wolfgang Schlaffer , valter dolso , Freetalk Moonnet Betreff: Re: [Moon] EME ft8 Don't waste your time stressing about it;  just buy a boat and enjoy the rest of your life...between this nonsense, 3g,4g,5g and the internet your Hobby is over.Graham 'MBI/MMOn 23/05/2020 09:06, ik4nmf via Moon wrote:> Hi Wolfgang,>> you have my full approval for this proposal and if it is necessary to > sign it,> I would be happy to put my signature as high as possible.> It is my opinion that the advent of digital modes has been the worst > disaster> for ham radio together with the abolition of the CW exam.>> vy 73, Fausto IK4NMF>> -----Messaggio originale----- From: Wolfgang Schlaffer via Moon> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 6:29 PM> To: valter dolso ; Freetalk Moonnet> Subject: Re: [Moon] EME ft8>> Ciao Valter>> come stai?> Hope all OK (more or less....!) .>> Just want to send some greetings to you accross to Alps! Remember the > "good old times"> and the nice meeting with Giacomo, Alessandro  and  Francesco a.m.o.  > at Pietrosanta ...>> Unfortunately my 2m and 6m antennas suffering from corrosion since > years....no need anymore...>> No need to restore...>> Are there already incoming proposals  for the nobel prize "DESTRUCTOR > OF HAM RADIO ALL TIME " ?>> I guess the moderation on the other (non  freetalk moon-net ) already > on? Same situation> like almost 20 years ago?>> Ciao - stay healthy !>> vy 73 de DL5MAE Wolfgang>>    Am Donnerstag, 21. Mai 2020, 23:22:09 MESZ hat valter dolso via > Moon Folgendes geschrieben:>> Dear JoeFirst of all best wishes for your next 80 years !!It was a > pleasure to meet you many years ago near Sanremo.Already then I told > you that I didn't like the digital mode for EME  very much, however I > understand that the technology must go on, I use the JT both in two > meters now with my small 2 yagi antennas and in 23 CM, I do qso that > in CW I could not do, but if I can prefer CW  !!!but also I have a > fairly good station in 6 meters, but when it opens sporadic E, few > stations in CW and SSB ....... no longer young radio amateurs must > also learn to speak besides learning CW ?? or is it easier or more > fashionable to use 90% FT8 with 9 +++ signals?Okay, Dear friend, it > will be so, we have many problems now and maybe in the future.Radio > will be a Hobby, nothing else.With estimates>                                                            Valter IK1FJI> _______________________________________________> Moon mailing list> Moon at moonbounce.info> http://moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon>> Join eQSL.cc  https://eqsl.cc/qslcard/Index.cfm> _______________________________________________> Moon mailing list> Moon at moonbounce.info> http://moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon>> Join eQSL.cc  https://eqsl.cc/qslcard/Index.cfm>_______________________________________________Moon mailing listMoon at moonbounce.infohttp://moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moonJoin eQSL.cc  https://eqsl.cc/qslcard/Index.cfm From dl5mae at yahoo.de Sat May 23 11:26:04 2020 From: dl5mae at yahoo.de (Wolfgang Schlaffer) Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 09:26:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Moon] EME ft8 In-Reply-To: <03327763-3008-d096-88e9-425cabe5826e@orange.fr> References: <401166365.2774923.1590096025009.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <401166365.2774923.1590096025009@mail.yahoo.com> <1562829820.3479686.1590164993882@mail.yahoo.com> <91CA0623B5034A1E95789840DC0A8341@FaustoPC> <03327763-3008-d096-88e9-425cabe5826e@orange.fr> Message-ID: <1284060630.1788816.1590225964973@mail.yahoo.com> Ciao Fausto , Valter , Hi Graham you are all so damn right! I am afraid since the digital  revolution (when it started about 20 years ago) we forgot to give young people  the enthusiasm  (=which is not!  steering into a computer monitor!) of HAM RADIO . Looking in my local radio club I see a drastic decrease of interest and activity since we became more and more digital.  The German Radio Club DARC seem to "think" digital , too, when I follow their columnes .... in my opinion the wrong way and the survival time will be not so long anymore. I almost doubt when I will get 80 years old that HAM RADIO will still exist. Es season begun -  Its not understandable to watch  this nonsense on 2m (6m as well) working digital on one frequency while the rest of the band is desserted. Even a  big possible number of QSOs will be wasted. Good sailing Graham, you guys take all care. At least it was nice to read you on Email! vy 73 de DL5MAE Wolfgang Am Samstag, 23. Mai 2020, 09:58:56 MESZ hat g d Folgendes geschrieben: Don't waste your time stressing about it;  just buy a boat and enjoy the rest of your life...between this nonsense, 3g,4g,5g and the internet your Hobby is over. Graham 'MBI/MM On 23/05/2020 09:06, ik4nmf via Moon wrote: > Hi Wolfgang, > > you have my full approval for this proposal and if it is necessary to > sign it, > I would be happy to put my signature as high as possible. > It is my opinion that the advent of digital modes has been the worst > disaster > for ham radio together with the abolition of the CW exam. > > vy 73, Fausto IK4NMF > > -----Messaggio originale----- From: Wolfgang Schlaffer via Moon > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 6:29 PM > To: valter dolso ; Freetalk Moonnet > Subject: Re: [Moon] EME ft8 > > Ciao Valter > > come stai? > Hope all OK (more or less....!) . > > Just want to send some greetings to you accross to Alps! Remember the > "good old times" > and the nice meeting with Giacomo, Alessandro  and  Francesco a.m.o.  > at Pietrosanta ... > > Unfortunately my 2m and 6m antennas suffering from corrosion since > years....no need anymore... > > No need to restore... > > Are there already incoming proposals  for the nobel prize "DESTRUCTOR > OF HAM RADIO ALL TIME " ? > > I guess the moderation on the other (non  freetalk moon-net ) already > on? Same situation > like almost 20 years ago? > > Ciao - stay healthy ! > > vy 73 de DL5MAE Wolfgang > >    Am Donnerstag, 21. Mai 2020, 23:22:09 MESZ hat valter dolso via > Moon Folgendes geschrieben: > > Dear JoeFirst of all best wishes for your next 80 years !!It was a > pleasure to meet you many years ago near Sanremo.Already then I told > you that I didn't like the digital mode for EME  very much, however I > understand that the technology must go on, I use the JT both in two > meters now with my small 2 yagi antennas and in 23 CM, I do qso that > in CW I could not do, but if I can prefer CW  !!!but also I have a > fairly good station in 6 meters, but when it opens sporadic E, few > stations in CW and SSB ....... no longer young radio amateurs must > also learn to speak besides learning CW ?? or is it easier or more > fashionable to use 90% FT8 with 9 +++ signals?Okay, Dear friend, it > will be so, we have many problems now and maybe in the future.Radio > will be a Hobby, nothing else.With estimates >                                                            Valter IK1FJI > _______________________________________________ > Moon mailing list > Moon at moonbounce.info > http://moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon > > Join eQSL.cc  https://eqsl.cc/qslcard/Index.cfm > _______________________________________________ > Moon mailing list > Moon at moonbounce.info > http://moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon > > Join eQSL.cc  https://eqsl.cc/qslcard/Index.cfm > From sm2cew at telia.com Sat May 23 11:51:32 2020 From: sm2cew at telia.com (Peter Sundberg) Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 09:51:32 +0000 Subject: [Moon] EME ft8 In-Reply-To: <03327763-3008-d096-88e9-425cabe5826e@orange.fr> References: <401166365.2774923.1590096025009.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <401166365.2774923.1590096025009@mail.yahoo.com> <1562829820.3479686.1590164993882@mail.yahoo.com> <91CA0623B5034A1E95789840DC0A8341@FaustoPC> <03327763-3008-d096-88e9-425cabe5826e@orange.fr> Message-ID: Up to now I've made 3136 CW QSOs since the 1st of January this year, mostly through casual operating on the bands. This includes many CW EME contacts on different bands. And just the other day 30 CW QSOs on 6m in half an hour. Including one or two double hop DX. Sure, the hobby is screwed since the advent of Joe T's cheating digi modes but it is far from dead. 73 Peter SM2CEW At 07:58 2020-05-23, g d via Moon wrote: >Don't waste your time stressing about it; just >buy a boat and enjoy the rest of your >life...between this nonsense, 3g,4g,5g and the >internet your Hobby is over. Graham 'MBI/MM From dl5mae at yahoo.de Sat May 23 14:16:00 2020 From: dl5mae at yahoo.de (Wolfgang Schlaffer) Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 12:16:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Moon] EME ft8 In-Reply-To: References: <401166365.2774923.1590096025009.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <401166365.2774923.1590096025009@mail.yahoo.com> <1562829820.3479686.1590164993882@mail.yahoo.com> <91CA0623B5034A1E95789840DC0A8341@FaustoPC> <03327763-3008-d096-88e9-425cabe5826e@orange.fr> Message-ID: <598912614.3950486.1590236160313@mail.yahoo.com> HejHej Peter CWstill THE KING! Made no CW contacts on 2m or  6m . Most of them on shortwave (3W2MAE)  or from my home this year ! Nice to see you all alive! vy 73 de DL5MAE Wolfgang Am Samstag, 23. Mai 2020, 11:51:36 MESZ hat Peter Sundberg Folgendes geschrieben: Up to now I've made 3136 CW QSOs since the 1st of January this year, mostly through casual operating on the bands. This includes many CW EME contacts on different bands. And just the other day 30 CW QSOs on 6m in half an hour. Including one or two double hop DX. Sure, the hobby is screwed since the advent of Joe T's cheating digi modes but it is far from dead. 73 Peter SM2CEW At 07:58 2020-05-23, g d via Moon wrote: >Don't waste your time stressing about it;  just >buy a boat and enjoy the rest of your >life...between this nonsense, 3g,4g,5g and the >internet your Hobby is over. Graham 'MBI/MM From ve1kg at eastlink.ca Sat May 23 17:38:21 2020 From: ve1kg at eastlink.ca (ve1kg at eastlink.ca) Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 15:38:21 -0000 Subject: [Moon] WSPR BEACON Message-ID: <00ae01d63118$3053c220$90fb4660$@eastlink.ca> Hi friends While upgrading my 144 EME antenna system this summer, I have set up WSPR beacon on 20M running 200mw to a vertical antenna. The frequency is 14.97100. The beacon TX every 8 minutes for 2 minutes. I am being decoded in Europe & the USA 24/7 if you STILL have an HF radio check me out. You can upload the decodes on WSPRNET.ORG. I really do not know how you do that?? I have asked people but no one will tell me?????? Have fun & enjoy the decoding power of WSPR truly amazing!!! Serge VE1KG From sm4ive at telia.com Sat May 23 20:42:29 2020 From: sm4ive at telia.com (Lars Pettersson) Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 20:42:29 +0200 Subject: [Moon] Future of EME Message-ID: <8b249074-1e3f-aea8-dd94-4c89cf04c14e@telia.com>  Well the futere seems promesing http://www.southgatearc.org/news/2020/may/ft8-used-for-ham-radio-moonbounce-contact.htm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+AmateurRadioNews+%28Southgate+Amateur+Radio+News%29#.XslrsMBS-9I I can only asume that Jesus have managed to completly destroy ham radio. Who needs to sit and look on a wall of white paint while it dryes? Any one wants to buy a 13 mtr Dish? it could be used for collecting garabage= The status now are a disaster FT8 are killing amateur radio for sure  just look at 6 mtrs the band are wide open signals on 50313 s9  but almost dead on ssb and cw. And the worst this shit software are all over HF    its just a mater of time and serioues Hamradio have become computer game 100% AND i will not Buy a Boat i have a Big RV i prefere land. The Taylor have totaly destroyed amateur radio,  i dont find words !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 Lars From sm4ive at telia.com Sun May 24 08:30:29 2020 From: sm4ive at telia.com (Lars Pettersson) Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 08:30:29 +0200 Subject: [Moon] test Message-ID: test From ik4nmf at gmail.com Sun May 24 09:24:56 2020 From: ik4nmf at gmail.com (ik4nmf) Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 09:24:56 +0200 Subject: [Moon] Future of EME In-Reply-To: <8b249074-1e3f-aea8-dd94-4c89cf04c14e@telia.com> References: <8b249074-1e3f-aea8-dd94-4c89cf04c14e@telia.com> Message-ID: <5D97C316BADA4E2CAF8E9E84A979D6C9@FaustoPC> Dear Lars, true radio amateurs like you and many others including me will continue to exist and we will continue to connect with each other by making real QSOs. Few but good. Even if we are now a minority, JT should be proposed in the role of dishonor because it destroyed radiantism. Vy 73, Fausto IK4NMF -----Messaggio originale----- From: Lars Pettersson via Moon Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 8:42 PM To: moon at moonbounce.info Subject: [Moon] Future of EME Well the futere seems promesing http://www.southgatearc.org/news/2020/may/ft8-used-for-ham-radio-moonbounce-contact.htm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+AmateurRadioNews+%28Southgate+Amateur+Radio+News%29#.XslrsMBS-9I I can only asume that Jesus have managed to completly destroy ham radio. Who needs to sit and look on a wall of white paint while it dryes? Any one wants to buy a 13 mtr Dish? it could be used for collecting garabage= The status now are a disaster FT8 are killing amateur radio for sure just look at 6 mtrs the band are wide open signals on 50313 s9 but almost dead on ssb and cw. And the worst this shit software are all over HF its just a mater of time and serioues Hamradio have become computer game 100% AND i will not Buy a Boat i have a Big RV i prefere land. The Taylor have totaly destroyed amateur radio, i dont find words !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 Lars _______________________________________________ Moon mailing list Moon at moonbounce.info http://moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon Join eQSL.cc https://eqsl.cc/qslcard/Index.cfm -- Questa email è stata esaminata alla ricerca di virus da AVG. http://www.avg.com From john at g4bao.com Sun May 24 14:52:38 2020 From: john at g4bao.com (g4bao) Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 13:52:38 +0100 Subject: [Moon] The EME book that never was Message-ID: Hi Folks, I've just published on the UKuG Wiki, at https://wiki.microwavers.org.uk/Microwave_EME the GHz bands EME chapters written by Sam G4DDK and myself that were once intended to be part of someone else's longer more general book on EME that never happened. Still needs a bit of tidying up (but that's what Wiki's allow YOU to do! - go for it! Seemed a shame to waste the effort. Enjoy! 73 John From ja4blc at web-sanin.co.jp Sun May 24 16:35:26 2020 From: ja4blc at web-sanin.co.jp (Yoshiro Mataka JA4BLC) Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 23:35:26 +0900 Subject: [Moon] The EME book that never was In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi John I appreciate your article on the UKuG Wiki. One point to say. In Japan, 13cm EME was licenced on 1993 for JA4BLC. The band was 2424.0-2424.5. On Jan 2015, the post authority in Japan allowed the operation on 2400-2405 for radio amateurs for EME and all Japanese moonbouncers moved to 2400. 2424.0-2424.5 segment is still allowed but QRM happened by the Wifi. Therefore all Japanese is operating on 2400. I wish to advise you to write Wiki to tell JA allocation as 2400-2405. Thanks and GL de Yoshiro JA4BLC PS:As you mentioned, cross band operation is actually troublesome. Starting 13cm EME in 1993,I worked 70 initials on this band, until I stopped the operation last summer 2019. On 2020/05/24 21:52, g4bao via Moon wrote: > Hi Folks, > I've just published on the UKuG Wiki, at > https://wiki.microwavers.org.uk/Microwave_EME > > the GHz bands EME chapters written by Sam G4DDK and myself that were once > intended to be part of someone else's longer more general book on EME that > never happened. > > Still needs a bit of tidying up (but that's what Wiki's allow YOU to do! - > go for it! > > Seemed a shame to waste the effort. > > Enjoy! > > 73 > John > _______________________________________________ > Moon mailing list > Moon at moonbounce.info > http://moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon > > Join eQSL.cc https://eqsl.cc/qslcard/Index.cfm > From jewell at btinternet.com Sun May 24 21:52:39 2020 From: jewell at btinternet.com (jewell at btinternet.com) Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 19:52:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Moon] [UKMicrowaves] The EME book that never was In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1580272231.4722362.1590349959286@mail.yahoo.com> I think it is worth saying.When this was written It was originally intended to be just a single chapter at the end of a book aimed mainly at the lower bands. It quickly became clear that a single chapter was inadequate to cover the much larger subject of microwave EME, to any meaningful extent. There was no appetite from the book sponsor to increase the book size to allow more microwave EME content and no appetite for a microwave-only EME book.Personally I think that was short sighted, but reluctantly accepted that the sponsor knew the market best. 73 de Sam, G4DDK Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Sunday, May 24, 2020, 8:42 pm, G0FVI via groups.io wrote: Thanks for that John/Sam . Slowly putting together a 23/13 eme station myself, as a beginner I would dearly have loved to have owned a good detailed text book with everything in one place (still would!). Could be a project for a future rsgb book if there is enough interest, the one that came out a year or so ago was a little disappointing in that it essentially covered 2/70 jt65 only, although to be fair it was a 'dip your toe in the water' title.  Sent from my Huawei phone -------- Original message -------- From: John Worsnop Date: Sun, 24 May 2020, 13:52 To: UKMicrowaves at groups.io, Moon-Net , moon at moonbounce.info, UKuG-Committee at groups.io Subject: [UKMicrowaves] The EME book that never was Hi Folks, I've just published on the UKuG Wiki, at https://wiki.microwavers.org.uk/Microwave_EME the GHz bands EME chapters written by Sam G4DDK and myself that were once intended to be part of someone else's longer more general book on EME that never happened. Still needs a bit of tidying up (but that's what Wiki's allow YOU to do! - go for it! Seemed a shame to waste the effort. Enjoy! 73John _._,_._,_Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#55811) | Reply To Group | Reply To Sender | Mute This Topic | New Topic Your Subscription |Contact Group Owner |Unsubscribe [jewell at btinternet.com] _._,_._,_ From g3ltf at btinternet.com Mon May 25 23:09:56 2020 From: g3ltf at btinternet.com (Peter Blair) Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 22:09:56 +0100 Subject: [Moon] DUBUS/REF CW contest results Message-ID: <7D00D8955E4D44B8A4EFA7252104A5F4@PeterKBlairPC5> The wx was not kind on Saturday with gale force winds and I lost 10 hours of moon time, but Sunday was much better. Activity seemed good with some really big signals. I worked 32 stations on random CW + 1 ssb duplicate incuding 3 initials. Cross band operation either to 2304 or 2400 denoted as ~ . Saturday, SP6OPN, UA3PTW, SA6BUN, PA3DZL, SP3XBO, ES5PC, JA6AHB~, OH2DG, DF3RU, SM3BYA, OK1CA, OH1LRY, DB6NT#, OK1KKD, OK2ULQ, UA3TCF, DG5CST, Sunday, OK1KIR, F2CT#, JA6XED~#, SP7DCS, G4RGK, WA9FWD~, WB2BYP~, IZ2DJP, IK3COJ, W5LUA~, WA6PY~, K2UYH~, VE6TA, VE6BGT, KL6M~. DB6NT also worked on ssb. CWNR cross band WD5AGO, Heard on 2304 only, WA5AFY (Doesnt do X-band I believe), LX1DB, SP2HMR. I listened on the VK frequency on Sunday but nil heard, (apart from OH1LRY!) For random CW operation on 13cm multiband an SDR is pretty much essential. Thanks to all for the nice QSOs, GL, 73 Peter G3LTF From john at g4bao.com Mon May 25 23:58:23 2020 From: john at g4bao.com (g4bao) Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 22:58:23 +0100 Subject: [Moon] GHz EME Wiki Message-ID: Thanks for all the very positive feedback! I've just done a small update of the major inconsistencies pointed out to me over the last 24Hrs. As a thank you bonus for being so complimentary to Sam and I, with the author's permission I've added a previously unpublished paper by Chris Bartram G4DGU on Small Dish EME. While I'm happy to maintain the Wiki pages occasionally, and add small contributions from others, the idea of a Wiki is that YOU the reader add to it and amend it,under moderation of the UKuG, so if anyone has a lot to add and would like write access, please email me explaining what you want to add. 73 John From dj3jj at gmx.net Tue May 26 16:52:09 2020 From: dj3jj at gmx.net (Andreas Haefner) Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 16:52:09 +0200 Subject: [Moon] 9h1bn Message-ID: Hello mark If you read this please contact me Your qrz.com email is no longer valid.... 73 Andreas DJ3JJ Gesendet mit der GMX Mail App From branimirantolic at gmail.com Wed May 27 00:27:17 2020 From: branimirantolic at gmail.com (Branimir Antolic - 9A9B) Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 00:27:17 +0200 Subject: [Moon] 9A9B web is again On Air Message-ID: <006901d633ac$d0f49650$72ddc2f0$@gmail.com> Dear Moonbouncers, I am very pleased to announce, that 9A9B web is (after 5 +/- years) again On Air :-) ! http://web.hamradio.hr/9a9b/index.html History: My web started 8th October 1999 on GeoCities. After ten years (October 2009), Geocities stopped working (there were at least 38 million pages on GeoCities before it was shut down, most user-written - one of them was also my 9A9B page). To save that amount of information worldwide created, ReoCities copied the entire content and put it on its ReoCities domain, but those pages could not be updated. I'm not sure anymore, but around 2005 ReoCities delete my page from server. From then, until a few days ago, my website was down. Technology: I designed it by myself, learning html programing (from scratch) and looking for solutions/details on other web sites in that time (not using any tool for web design). All this 9A9B Web is almost unaltered in full (08.10.1999), except EME page, where because of original Apollo photo, I adopt it for different operating platforms/devices/resolution; because of that on this page I have used css programing. Besides, I removed "Contests Results" and instead and incorporated "My achievements". Also, today I have no limit for MBs (on GeoCities it was 15 MB), so I replaced many images to larger resolution, so may web today is around 30 MB. Please let me few days more to change and insert new links on QRZ.COM and QSL.NET. Thanks everyone in EME community, who have helped me to achieve my EME dream and enjoyed in almost 800 EME CW 144 MHz Random QSOs! Let me also thank you to Croatian Amateur radio Association, who Hosting my web and to their Webmaster, Marko! See you on the Moon, Vy 73 de Branimir - 9A9B From rick1ds at hotmail.com Wed May 27 20:09:06 2020 From: rick1ds at hotmail.com (Rick R) Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 18:09:06 +0000 Subject: [Moon] ARRL 2021 EME Contest Dates In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Information received from ARRL has 2021 tentative dates (with the least conflicts with other VHF+ events and best moon conditions) Multiple EME and VHF resources in US and EU were considered. October 23-24, 2021 November 20-21, 2021 December 19-20, 2021 From lz1dx at lz1dx.org Wed May 27 20:31:41 2020 From: lz1dx at lz1dx.org (Nedelcho Zapryanov) Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 21:31:41 +0300 Subject: [Moon] E-mail Message-ID: <005c01d63455$10f38e70$32daab50$@lz1dx.org> Hello friends, Is there any E-mail to Francoise F1CHF or F6CSX Thanks Ned LZ1DX -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From storyavenue at hotmail.com Thu May 28 00:06:01 2020 From: storyavenue at hotmail.com (John Stevens) Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 22:06:01 +0000 Subject: [Moon] FW: 13cm Activity, DUBUS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Fellow Lunatics, I was able to work 27 on random CW over the DUBUS 13cm event weekend. I only have 2320/2304 band segments going at the moment but hope to solve the others soon. Those listed with (XB) were crossband: WA9FWD, OH2DG, WA6PY, OK1KIR, OK1CA, W5LUA, OH1LRY, ES5PC, OK1KKD, OK2ULQ, SP6OPN, UA3PTW(XB), VE6TA, KL6M, K2UYH, SA6BUN(XB), SM2CEW(XB), VE6BGT, G3LTF(XB), PA3DZL(XB), SM3BYA, SP7DCS, W5AFY, DF3RU(XB), SP3XBO(XB), WD5AGO, LX1DB. Many thanks to the participants great signals and the sponsors for the event. I’m going to leave the 13cm feed in place until the declination drops to zero, in case there is anyone that might like to run a sked. I will QSL 100% anyone desiring a real card. Thanks, John Stevens WB2BYP 8.5m/100W FN13ib www.storyavenue.com Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From ok1teh at seznam.cz Thu May 28 16:30:00 2020 From: ok1teh at seznam.cz (Matej Petrzilka) Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 16:30:00 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Moon] ARRL 2021 EME Contest Dates References: Message-ID: <1oO.rtjh.5J6icrurlOF.1Upyhe@seznam.cz> Hi Rick, many many thanks for moving dates of ARRL EME Contest out from first full weekend in September, October and November, I must say as tropo contester it's much appreciated! 73 Matej, OK1TEH ---------- Původní e-mail ---------- Od: Rick R via Moon Komu: Moon-net , moonbounce reflector Datum: 27. 5. 2020 20:36:41 Předmět: [Moon] ARRL 2021 EME Contest Dates "Information received from ARRL has 2021 tentative dates (with the least conflicts with other VHF+ events and best moon conditions) Multiple EME and VHF resources in US and EU were considered. October 23-24, 2021 November 20-21, 2021 December 19-20, 2021 _______________________________________________ Moon mailing list Moon at moonbounce.info http://moonbounce.info/mailman/listinfo/moon Join eQSL.cc https://eqsl.cc/qslcard/Index.cfm" From rick1ds at hotmail.com Thu May 28 17:26:01 2020 From: rick1ds at hotmail.com (Rick R) Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 15:26:01 +0000 Subject: [Moon] Minor date correction ARRL EME 2021 Message-ID: 2021 tentative dates (with the least conflicts with other VHF+ events and best moon conditions) Multiple EME and VHF resources in US and EU were considered. October 23-24, 2021 November 20-21, 2021 December 18-19, 2021 ​ From jh1krc at syd.odn.ne.jp Thu May 28 18:09:52 2020 From: jh1krc at syd.odn.ne.jp (M. Watanabe) Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 1:09:52 +0900 Subject: [Moon] Thread cutting screw Message-ID: <5E78213D00A4621A@msrg5031.rgserv.odn.ne.jp> (added by postmaster@msrg5031.rgserv.odn.ne.jp) Many years ago, I got T-20 ORBITRON TVRO 20 ft. dish. All the hardware parts are missing, and specially hot-dipped zinc plated thread cutting screw is most difficult to find. 1/4"x1" long Tek Screw Type 25, Hex flange. 600 pcs. Already a screw of electric zinc galvanized is located. I wonder if this screw could be hot-dipped again at galvanizing factory. The sizes of screws may change to be exact because of the thickness of zinc, but it may not be a big problem. Already the screw hole is open, and thicker plating of the screw may even be better for this used TVRO to be rebuilt, I think. Anyone can help, or advise me? Mike JH1KRC From lz1dx at lz1dx.org Thu May 28 20:40:39 2020 From: lz1dx at lz1dx.org (Nedelcho Zapryanov) Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 21:40:39 +0300 Subject: [Moon] HMC8120-SX Message-ID: <008201d6351f$7c255cd0$74701670$@lz1dx.org> Hello friends, Has anyone in our ranks worked with the HMC8120-C module for 71-76Hz. I want to exchange experience on the construction of the power amplifier and how many mwt it has managed to achieve. Greetings Ned LZ1DX -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From ok1dfc at seznam.cz Sat May 30 09:05:29 2020 From: ok1dfc at seznam.cz (Zdenek SAMEK-OK1DFC) Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 09:05:29 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Moon] EME conference 2020 Message-ID: Information on the EME conference 2020 in Prague.   Dear OMs, as promised in March we provide information on the current state of preparation of the EME 2020 conference in Prague. As you all know, due to COVID19, traveling has been greatly reduced and many of you may not be able to come. Generally the situation regarding the COVID19 is good in the Czech Republic and from June 15th it will be possible to travel freely across the border. Also as of June, up to 300 people are allowed to rally at one place. We have everything ready, including lectures and press proceedings. So nothing prevents us from holding the conference, but… As very few of us are expected to be able to attend, the organizing committee decided, after considering all the pros and cons, to postpone the conference until next year. The date is therefore changed to 19.8.– 22.8. 2021. We have negotiated with the hotel and other companies that help us with the conference. The outcome of the negotiations is as following: 1. Top Hotel leaves your booking in effect and only adjusts the date of your bookings. It also leaves all prices without change as set for this year. So there is no change in the price of the conference fee. 2. The transport company and the accompanying program companies will change our dates for 2021, but prices are not yet agreed. We hope they will not change. In the event of a price change, it will certainly not be a dramatic increase and we would agree on a payment change for already registered participants individually. We have everything carefully registered.   3. Everything else remains as planned in 2020 and we will be refining the details on our website www.eme2020.cz(http://www.eme2020.cz/). We hope you will understand the change and we'll see you in 2021. Most of us are already in the 60+ age group, which is fundamentally affected by COVID 19. This was also one of the reasons why we decided to make this change. We look forward to seeing you in 2021. On behalf of organization committee -- Zdenek - OK1DFC www.eme2020.cz From jewell at btinternet.com Sat May 30 10:25:50 2020 From: jewell at btinternet.com (jewell at btinternet.com) Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 08:25:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Moon] [Moon-Net] EME conference 2020 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <351447973.88450.1590827150198@mail.yahoo.com> A very good decision by the team. Well done. We will be there next year, all being well.We paid for registration and trips. My XYL and I are quite happy for that payment to stand and if there is an increase, then we accept we will need to pay some extra.We have not yet booked and paid for the hotel. It seems sensible to hold off on making that booking until later this year or early next. Likewise for travel to Prague. It will be really great to see everyone again. Stay safe. ‘We’ll meet again.....’ Sam, G4DDK Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad On Saturday, May 30, 2020, 8:09 am, Zdenek SAMEK-OK1DFC via Moon-net wrote: Information on the EME conference 2020 inPrague.   Dear OMs, as promised in March we provide information on thecurrent state of preparation of the EME 2020 conference in Prague. As you allknow, due to COVID19, traveling has been greatly reduced and many of you maynot be able to come. Generally the situation regarding the COVID19 is good inthe Czech Republic and from June 15th it will be possible to travelfreely across the border. Also as of June, up to 300 people are allowed torally at one place. We have everything ready, including lectures and pressproceedings. So nothing prevents us from holding the conference, but… As very few of us are expected to be able to attend, theorganizing committee decided, after considering all the pros and cons, topostpone the conference until next year. The date is therefore changed to19.8.– 22.8.2021. We have negotiated with the hotel and other companies thathelp us with the conference. The outcome of the negotiations is as following: 1. Top Hotel leaves your booking in effect and only adjusts thedate of your bookings. It also leaves all prices without change as set for thisyear. So there is no change in the price of the conference fee. 2. The transport company and the accompanying program companieswill change our dates for 2021, but prices are not yet agreed. We hope theywill not change. In the event of a price change, it will certainly not be adramatic increase and we would agree on a payment change for already registeredparticipants individually. We have everything carefully registered.   3. Everythingelse remains as planned in 2020 and we will be refining the details on ourwebsite www.eme2020.cz. We hope you will understand the change and we'll see you in2021. Most of us are already in the 60+ age group, which is fundamentallyaffected by COVID19. This was also one of the reasons why we decided to makethis change. We look forward to seeing you in 2021. On behalf of organization committee -- Zdenek - OK1DFC www.eme2020.cz _______________________________________________ Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html From dl6sh-eme at online.de Sat May 30 10:29:55 2020 From: dl6sh-eme at online.de (Slawek DL6SH) Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 10:29:55 +0200 Subject: [Moon] EME conference 2020 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8cb4d1bb-def8-b963-9bbc-9a0393ec7337@online.de> Well done Zdenek, a very wise decision! And really good news about the hotel reservation. Thank you and the team for your support. Hope to see you 2021 in Prague. 73, Slawek dl6sh Am 30.05.2020 um 09:05 schrieb Zdenek SAMEK-OK1DFC via Moon: > > Information on the EME conference 2020 in Prague. > > > > Dear OMs, as promised in March we provide information on the current state > of preparation of the EME 2020 conference in Prague. As you all know, due to > COVID19, traveling has been greatly reduced and many of you may not be able > to come. Generally the situation regarding the COVID19 is good in the Czech > Republic and from June 15th it will be possible to travel freely across the > border. Also as of June, up to 300 people are allowed to rally at one place. > We have everything ready, including lectures and press proceedings. So > nothing prevents us from holding the conference, but… > > As very few of us are expected to be able to attend, the organizing > committee decided, after considering all the pros and cons, to postpone the > conference until next year. The date is therefore changed to 19.8.– 22.8. > 2021. We have negotiated with the hotel and other companies that help us > with the conference. The outcome of the negotiations is as following: > > > > > 1. Top Hotel leaves your booking in effect and only adjusts the date of > your bookings. It also leaves all prices without change as set for this > year. So there is no change in the price of the conference fee. > > 2. The transport company and the accompanying program companies will change > our dates for 2021, but prices are not yet agreed. We hope they will not > change. In the event of a price change, it will certainly not be a dramatic > increase and we would agree on a payment change for already registered > participants individually. We have everything carefully registered. > > > > 3. Everything else remains as planned in 2020 and we will be refining the > details on our website www.eme2020.cz(http://www.eme2020.cz/). > > We hope you will understand the change and we'll see you in 2021. Most of us > are already in the 60+ age group, which is fundamentally affected by COVID > 19. This was also one of the reasons why we decided to make this change. We > look forward to seeing you in 2021. > > On behalf of organization committee > > > From sp7dcs at wp.pl Sun May 31 22:49:59 2020 From: sp7dcs at wp.pl (Chris SP7DCS) Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 22:49:59 +0200 Subject: [Moon] SP7DCS Dubus/Ref 13cm CW Contest Message-ID: <40233fea-8386-549c-2679-9f51ad59f20e@wp.pl> Hi All, Very sorry but I still have a high level of noise on the 2304MHz and 2320MHz and I had big problems with RX. my log: 23.05.2020 - OK1CA  ES5PC  SP6OPN  UA3PTW  OK2ULQ  OH2DG  SM2CEW#  OK1KIR 24.05.2020 - G3LTF OK1KKD OH1LRY WB2BYP# WA9FWD# WA6PY LX1DB SM3BYA SA6BUN# PA3DZL Thank you for great qsos and see you again. 73 Chris SP7DCS