[Moon] Moon Digest, Vol 83, Issue 14

kjeld at oz1ff.dk kjeld at oz1ff.dk
Tue Jun 29 12:10:37 CEST 2021


To Mikael and Lars

What do both of you expect from pouring gasoline on an open fire?

I respect that both of you love CW and only make random contacts. But there is today also another world on EME. Please respect this.

Said by one who on EME works CW, random or by sked, uses HB9Q and WSJT and loves helping newcomers getting their first EME contacts on 10/24 GHz with their small setups.

Vy 73 de OZ1FF/Kjeld

Member UK µWave Group, DDXG

Phone/SMS +45 4021 1119

https://www.oz1ff.dk

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Today's Topics:

   1. DUBUS CW EME Contest (Michael Kohla)
   2. Re: 432 and above EME Newsletter (M. Watanabe)
   3. Re: DUBUS CW EME Contest (Lars Pettersson)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2021 15:37:28 +0200
From: Michael Kohla <sa6bun at gmail.com>
To: moon at moonbounce.info
Subject: [Moon] DUBUS CW EME Contest
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To whom it concerns…



This is to let you know that again I have quite successfully participated in the 2021 Dubus CW EME contest on the 6 and 3cm bands. A BIG ‚thank you‘ goes out to all stations I have worked on a totally random basis. Although I have again achieved a very competitive number of QSO’s on both my active bands (left), I will not send in my logs this year.

Reason: the contest has clear and very simple rules about the involvement of i-net means, loggers etc. Short exerpt of contest rules to fresh up your
memory:

*…3.3 During Contest time, it is not allowed to use other communications medium such as internet or packet radio, to self spot, announce CQ frequency, make skeds, exchange any QSO progress info, confirm whether the QSO was valid or not*….

As in the previous years, a considerable number of stations active in the contest, have not followed this very simple rules by hanging around in loggers like HB9Q during their contest time and exchanging contact details.
Actually, I have no objections doing this, as long as those stations regard the contest as a sort of QSO-party for themselves and do not appear in the score list of participants. But exactly this was the case in 3 previous years. So far, there has been no attempt of rule enforcement by the sponsor of this ‚contest‘. I recently got in contact with Joachim, DL8HCZ, on this topic and his comment in general was that he did not have any time to invest in following up on the contest rules.

Be it so, obviously it is up to the contestants themselves to honestly keep to the rules – what a surprise, isn‘t it ???

When during this year‘s contest I approached one of the participants in the HB9Q logger reminding him very politely of keeping to the rules, I was returned that coordinating QSO details during contest times through the logger meanwhile were common habit.

Aha, lesson learnt! As long as there is no kind of rule enforcement by some sort of referee (as there was in former times …), i.e. disqualifying offenders to check logs, this kind of ‚contest‘ for me is not worth to invest any time in compiling and sending in my logs.

As criticism is pointless without showing up alternatives, here is my
proposal: besides enforcing contest rules as practised in former times, why not simply switch off all loggers, chats, etc. during Dubus CW EME contest times? Seemingly, this is necessary.

I still believe there is a vast number of operators, who are capable to establish their eme contacts on a true and honest random basis off the moon without i-net help. By simply switching off the HB9Q-logger, which in my eyes is the most prominent meeting point these days, a serious competition would be given again.

Or should this very last wake-up call be enough of a reminder to strictly keep to the contest rules again?? I would be happy, then….

Of course, I am totally aware of the fact that my post will initiate a true shit storm. The alternative would have been to angrily keep silent with all the rule offenses, I have witnessed in the past years and which unfortunately  had no consequences for the offenders. But why should I ??
So far, I am an active part of the game, and I claim the right for me to adress things, that objectively are going wrong.

If you want to check the HB9Q logger inputs, simply search within the logger for the history of the particular contest days and judge yourself. I have proposed to do this also to DL8HCZ, by the way. No comment yet from his side.

Now, have fun to throw loads of shit on me….or just step back a little and start thinking again?



Best regards,

Michael, SA6BUN/DL1YMK


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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2021 22:52:18 +0900
From: "M. Watanabe" <jh1krc at syd.odn.ne.jp>
To: freetalk moonnet <moon at moonbounce.info>, Peter Blair
	<g3ltf at btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: [Moon] 432 and above EME Newsletter
Message-ID: <605C31DE00D4CCD3 at msrg5021.rgserv.odn.ne.jp> (added by
	postmaster at msrg5021.rgserv.odn.ne.jp)
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp

Hi Peter and all,

Pleased to know so many activities on 6cm these days. 
I am busy in restoration and modification of an old 6m TVRO now, and have no chance to be QRV.

My mail address is now changing. PSE use below. 
TNX in advance, 

Mike JH1KRC 

New mail address:  
qq363gud(at)voice.ocn.ne.jp 




---- Peter Blair via Moon <moon at moonbounce.info> wrote: 
> Al, K2UYH, and Matej, OK1TEH, are working on the 432 and above EME 
> Newsletter this week. Send all your news, especially on your activity 
> in the 6cm Dubus / REF contest and tests of new digital modes, not 
> forgetting any any technical items to alkatz at tcnj.edu
Previous NL can be found at http://www.nitehawk.com/rasmit/em70cm.html
Also, dont forget that Dubus / REF contest entries must be in by June 27th.

73 and keep on keeping safe.
Peter, G3LTF
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2021 17:12:44 +0200
From: Lars Pettersson <sm4ive at telia.com>
To: moon at moonbounce.info
Subject: Re: [Moon] DUBUS CW EME Contest
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Michael!!!

Soo true!!!!!!!!!!1

one of the reasons for me not to be active on EME VHf/UHF

so much cheating.............

Lars SM4IVE

Den 2021-06-28 kl. 15:37, skrev Michael Kohla via Moon:
> To whom it concerns…
>
>
>
> This is to let you know that again I have quite successfully 
> participated in the 2021 Dubus CW EME contest on the 6 and 3cm bands. 
> A BIG ‚thank you‘ goes out to all stations I have worked on a totally 
> random basis. Although I have again achieved a very competitive number 
> of QSO’s on both my active bands (left), I will not send in my logs this year.
>
> Reason: the contest has clear and very simple rules about the 
> involvement of i-net means, loggers etc. Short exerpt of contest rules 
> to fresh up your
> memory:
>
> *…3.3 During Contest time, it is not allowed to use other 
> communications medium such as internet or packet radio, to self spot, 
> announce CQ frequency, make skeds, exchange any QSO progress info, 
> confirm whether the QSO was valid or not*….
>
> As in the previous years, a considerable number of stations active in 
> the contest, have not followed this very simple rules by hanging 
> around in loggers like HB9Q during their contest time and exchanging contact details.
> Actually, I have no objections doing this, as long as those stations 
> regard the contest as a sort of QSO-party for themselves and do not 
> appear in the score list of participants. But exactly this was the 
> case in 3 previous years. So far, there has been no attempt of rule 
> enforcement by the sponsor of this ‚contest‘. I recently got in 
> contact with Joachim, DL8HCZ, on this topic and his comment in general 
> was that he did not have any time to invest in following up on the contest rules.
>
> Be it so, obviously it is up to the contestants themselves to honestly 
> keep to the rules – what a surprise, isn‘t it ???
>
> When during this year‘s contest I approached one of the participants 
> in the HB9Q logger reminding him very politely of keeping to the 
> rules, I was returned that coordinating QSO details during contest 
> times through the logger meanwhile were common habit.
>
> Aha, lesson learnt! As long as there is no kind of rule enforcement by 
> some sort of referee (as there was in former times …), i.e. 
> disqualifying offenders to check logs, this kind of ‚contest‘ for me 
> is not worth to invest any time in compiling and sending in my logs.
>
> As criticism is pointless without showing up alternatives, here is my
> proposal: besides enforcing contest rules as practised in former 
> times, why not simply switch off all loggers, chats, etc. during Dubus 
> CW EME contest times? Seemingly, this is necessary.
>
> I still believe there is a vast number of operators, who are capable 
> to establish their eme contacts on a true and honest random basis off 
> the moon without i-net help. By simply switching off the HB9Q-logger, 
> which in my eyes is the most prominent meeting point these days, a 
> serious competition would be given again.
>
> Or should this very last wake-up call be enough of a reminder to 
> strictly keep to the contest rules again?? I would be happy, then….
>
> Of course, I am totally aware of the fact that my post will initiate a 
> true shit storm. The alternative would have been to angrily keep 
> silent with all the rule offenses, I have witnessed in the past years 
> and which unfortunately  had no consequences for the offenders. But why should I ??
> So far, I am an active part of the game, and I claim the right for me 
> to adress things, that objectively are going wrong.
>
> If you want to check the HB9Q logger inputs, simply search within the 
> logger for the history of the particular contest days and judge 
> yourself. I have proposed to do this also to DL8HCZ, by the way. No 
> comment yet from his side.
>
> Now, have fun to throw loads of shit on me….or just step back a little 
> and start thinking again?
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Michael, SA6BUN/DL1YMK
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